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Topic: Streamer experiences, please?
Posted By: Aussie Mick
Subject: Streamer experiences, please?
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:49pm
Dear all,
  I’m rebuilding a streamer set up for headphone listening. The digital library is enormous and I’d like to bring it up to the same standard as my vinyl rig. I’ve heard streamers from Bluesound, Allo, Project and entry level Auralic, and they all have their advantages, but they’re not cutting the mustard. 

Has anyone here any experience with the Innuos Zen or Antipodes S30/40? Really difficult to travel for an audition at the moment with work, so any relatable experience will be greatly received.

All the best,
Mick.


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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2



Replies:
Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:44pm
Hi Mick,
Best streamer I’ve heard/owned was a C#### Stream X Signature. The sound was glorious but interface was an absolute shambles, so much so I eventually ditched it. I’m looking for a replacement too. I want to hear a N##m one next.


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There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.


Posted By: TheScorpionsTale
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 11:15pm
I have the Xa, rather than the Signature. Sounds great, but I was annoyed when, almost as soon as I'd bought it, they decided to do away with the nRemote (which talks directly to the streamer and displays metadata etc.), and started pushing their app instead. That doesn't work for me as they expect it to be used through a network, whereas I just want to use the streamer as a source or renderer, to play tracks from a local USB drive. The app does allow you to locate and select tracks, but it doesn't read the files' metadata (I don't stream music or radio from the internet).

They've just launched a new range of amps etc., but there's no streamer there - so maybe a replacement is in development.


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Graham

SL1200 II with SME M2-9R and various carts / Revelation M with PSU-1 / Cyrus amp, CD and streamer / Kralk Audio BC30-3 Floorstanders / Bitzie and Lautus USB


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 7:34am
I’ve not heard it, but if I were in the market I would research it.
https://volumio.org/product/volumio-primo/ - https://volumio.org/product/volumio-primo/


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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by TheScorpionsTale TheScorpionsTale wrote:

I have the Xa, rather than the Signature. Sounds great, but I was annoyed when, almost as soon as I'd bought it, they decided to do away with the nRemote (which talks directly to the streamer and displays metadata etc.), and started pushing their app instead. That doesn't work for me as they expect it to be used through a network, whereas I just want to use the streamer as a source or renderer, to play tracks from a local USB drive. The app does allow you to locate and select tracks, but it doesn't read the files' metadata (I don't stream music or radio from the internet).

They've just launched a new range of amps etc., but there's no streamer there - so maybe a replacement is in development.

Glad to hear it wasn’t just me who found the app bloody annoying!

Really disappointing that a piece of equipment like that had an afterthought user interface. I tackled them about it about 18months ago lot of denial and general flannel. Made a great product utterly s####e. You could even create playlists for god sake. 


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There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2021 at 10:35am
Yes! How can the interface be so poor on these things? The only tactile bit of the experience! anyway, I’ve gone with the Inn**s and it’s excellent. User interface for importing, ripping cd and editing metadata is bloody fantastic. Roon is dead to me. They’re bringing out their own app late May and it will mean ditching iPeng that I’m currently using. It sounds awesome via a DAC and my Solo ULDE. 
MICK.


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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2021 at 10:51am
Originally posted by Aussie Mick Aussie Mick wrote:

Inn**s
What’s this Mick?

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2021 at 10:58am
Which I##uos did you go for? Zen, Zen mini or Zenith?

I’m using Roon via a Prima## NP5 sounds excellent. The core is running on an old lap top. Are you advising an Inn#### and some other interface? A Nucleus is £1500. May as well just buy the Inn###s.


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There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2021 at 5:01pm
LOL Thanks.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 8:05am
Zen Mk3. Functions as streamer and server. I got it with 2TB of internal storage. It on my network via Ethernet, as it has no WiFi, and usb is the only output. I use iPeng to control playback, and the web based interface for ripping, importing, editing, etc. 
It’s simple and effective. Looks a million bucks. Sounds fantastic.
Mick,


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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 12:03pm
Nice, I’ve been looking at those too.

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There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.


Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 2:05pm
Taking a look inside a Zen mk3, things seem pretty familiar to me. Motherboard (looks roughly mini-ITX size but has SODIMM RAM slots), SATA disc drive, SATA solid state drive and a linear power supply (transformer and circuit). Price is £1800+, no wifi and USB only? Uhhhh... My mini-ITX PC cost about one third of this, not counting the PCIe S/PDIF card or Windows 10 installation.

I guess people are paying for the OS and a convenient all-in-one product here.


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We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 8:22pm
Hi Ash
  I’m paying for a few things. Primarily the fact that I don’t have the knowledge or skill to build one myself. I imagine many people are the same. No WiFi is a good thing in my set up. It never sounds as good or is as reliable in my area as an Ethernet connection. I happily forego WiFi in pursuit of better sound. Only usb out is also perfect for my situation having a usb capable DAC. Done correctly it SHOULD be a better interface than optical or coax, and the company has put a lot of effort into getting that to be a very quiet connection. It uses 4G to buffer data before sending it out, isolating it from the electrically and mechanically noisy hard drive. It uses a processor that has just enough processing power to get the job done, drawing less power and creating less noise. To top it off, the industrial design is very much to my taste! 
And let’s not forget from our experiences with Graham’s wonderful linear supplies, they’re not all created equally! 
This unit really does sound spectacular and yes, the OS and upcoming app being a fully integrated system is a big selling point. I was an early adoption Roon user, but no longer. I like that financial saving, too. I’m also liking that there isn’t a laptop anywhere near my system. I miss Roon radio, but that’s all. I’m going for curated playlists on Tidal now. 
The best interface is currently Roon, but only until late May. 
Ash, I wish I had your know-how, but my skills lie elsewhere. I love this machine. Partly funded by selling my cd transport and associated cabling, so it wasn’t a huge outlay. And to top it off, the company offers lifetime free updates to the software, so I should be able to keep up with advances. 
All the best,
Mick.


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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 8:31pm
I’m thinking of following suit. Boards and supplies all specially designed and built for audio reproduction. Certainly won’t hurt to listen to one after lock down. 

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There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.


Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 8:45pm
As long as you're enjoying your music, that's what really matters.

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We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 3:50am
Precisely!





(Still envious of your skills, though...)


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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: Mikeh
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2021 at 8:44pm
My journey along the Graham Slee path was primarily focused on upgrading my analogue system. First the Accession MM provided a totally different level of sound quality to my previous P******t device. Trying a Proprius plus Majestic combination proved fatal for the bank balance.  What really surprised me was the transformation of digital source that Majestic dac provided. It reminded me of what happened in the '80s after buying and early A&R Camb. CD player. Now analogue had a real challenging alternative.  Same with the Majestic, cd from my Camb A CDX transport sounded as good (to my aged ears) as my vinyl but without the inherent pops and crackle. However, streaming from an old pc with an M Audio SPIDF audio card no longer cut it. The noise level from both the cooling fan and electronic interference became unacceptable. I was interested in  possibly building a RPI system and read with interest Ash's post regarding a single board pc alternative. Both seem to offer similar sound quality if the right audio card is used. Then I came cross the Lindemann Limetree bridge.  A very simple streamer that would route music rips stored on a NAS via SPIDF connection  to the Majestic. It appeared to match GS products both visually and technically. Thought it worth a try and tracked down a ver I model at reduced price which even the distributor said is the same specification as the new ver II. Having listened to it for a couple of weeks I'm really impressed.  OK the Lindemann app that has to be used to control it is a little clunky but it works without problem.  The sound is as good or better than the cd before trying a high res. streaming service.
Seems to me to be an ideal combination, it is the same form factor to sit on top of my Novo and streams reliable up to 192/24 (if required). And at a price that puts a smile on a Yorkshireman.  Sorted.



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Mike

Technics sl1210g with Victor U-2
Accession MM, Majestic + Proprius, Solo ULDE
Cambridge Audio CXC CD player
Lindemann Limetree Bridge streamer
Harbeth P3ESR XD paired with 2x REL t5x


Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2021 at 9:21pm
The Pink Faun S/PDIF dual-coax PCIe soundcard I bought for £320 is excellent and should improve further once I power it from Graham's DAK 5V 3A PSU. I cancelled my Hackboard 2 order due to changes in its features but I am still watching it with interest. Still considering better ATX-standard supplies for my main motherboard too. I want one computer good enough for both ripping and playback. Quality originates foremost at the power supply I think. Power is certainly one of the main bottlenecks if it is inadequate.

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We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.


Posted By: TheScorpionsTale
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2021 at 8:27am
Mike - a quick thanks for mentioning the Lindemann Limetree bridge, which I'd not been aware of. I've been considering some sort of simple streaming arrangement for the upstairs 'office' system. All I want to do is render tracks from a portable HDD. I had a quick look at their website and this could be what I'm looking for.


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Graham

SL1200 II with SME M2-9R and various carts / Revelation M with PSU-1 / Cyrus amp, CD and streamer / Kralk Audio BC30-3 Floorstanders / Bitzie and Lautus USB


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2021 at 5:45pm
I too had a look at the Limetree Bridge and it does look interesting, but at that price I’m very pleased I went down the Raspberry Pi route.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2021 at 9:34pm
It's software on my PC rather than dedicated hardware but I've enjoyed Roon since I got it. Good sound but it is a fast PC with the music on separate SSD's from the o/s and apps.  I like the Android interface for Roon on my tablet.



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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Mikeh
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2021 at 6:18pm
Going back to the Limetree Bridge, there seems to be one small flaw in compatibility with the Majestic.  The Bridge has two output modes which can be manually selected, as a max of either 96 or 192kHz resolution. So no apparent problem for coax input to the Majestic. Any source file is automatically 'up-sampled' to the selected output mode. I've found this is fine with 2x up-sampling but 4x in 192.mode (i.e.  a 44.1 cd rip to 176.4) results in unusable output from the Majestic, just jittery rubbish. Switch back to 96kHz mode and all is fine.
In all honesty it is not a problem as a) feeding the 96kHz into the Majestic produces a fabulous sound b) I don't have hearing selective enough to notice any improvement from 96 to 192 kHz resolution. However, for my  better understanding can anyone explain why there might be incompatibility?


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Mike

Technics sl1210g with Victor U-2
Accession MM, Majestic + Proprius, Solo ULDE
Cambridge Audio CXC CD player
Lindemann Limetree Bridge streamer
Harbeth P3ESR XD paired with 2x REL t5x



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