Which phonostage for DV 10 X 5 Mk2
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Topic: Which phonostage for DV 10 X 5 Mk2
Posted By: Ian B
Subject: Which phonostage for DV 10 X 5 Mk2
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2020 at 4:45pm
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New Member from Brighton, Sussex, UK I am not, yet, a user of your products but I am looking round
for a new phonostage, to replace my ageing Rega Fono Mk2 which
is ok,but just does not have the bite/attack for my Dynavector
DV 10 X5 Mk2, which I had installed this last week to replace
the Mk1 version which I have had for the last 16 years. I do
have another phonostage, NAD PP2 which has an MC input which has
a lot more attack/bass etc than the Rega, but is not as good for
overall sound quality. I have a 1983 LP 12, Lingo ,and Akito arm
( recently upgraded with Johnny 7 ceramic bearings, into an
Audiolab 8200Q preamp feeding into a pro audio power amp( 2 x
140w/8r), powering Bose Acoustimas 5 sub/sat speakers( lack of
floorspace in my 12ft x 10ft lounge ). My cartridge is a high output MC ( 2.8 millivolts, 150pf and 1,000ohm per manufacturer ), and I am wondering which, if any, of your phonostages can accommodate a cartridge with these requirements. Also, is it possible to use a phonostage, successfully, without those particular values, without damage/loss of sound quality, please ? |
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Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 8:23am
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Hi Ian, The Dynavector high o/p mc DV20 I used worked very successfully with Era Gold V when it was the top GSP phono stage back in the early 2000s. I believe this has similar specs to your cart. The ReflexM & Accession have come along since & should work even better.. ------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 12:12pm
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As I just commented on another doubter's post, my designs have been working perfectly with just about every cartridge on the planet, for 20 (twenty) years now! If you don't think me capable of making something that works, why come on here? ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 12:20pm
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Many thanks RichW. I sent a note to Dynavector in Japan yesterday, asking for clarification of their specs for the DV 10 X 5 mk2, as to whether they are the 'must have's', the 'minimum specs' or merely the 'recommended specs'. I am hoping to get a reply in the next few days, with any luck. In the meantime, John ( GSP Audio ) has been in contact and is suggesting that the published specs for my cart, as with most of the others, are merely recommended specs, but to let my ears do the listening( with a demo/loan unit ) to see which settings I like best before deciding. :D |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 12:27pm
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Do you know what the greater than sign (>) means?  Can you show me where it says it needs a load of 150pF please?
------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 3:01pm
I have ,so far, no reason to doubt your ability to manufacture phonostages and other equipment, or your ability to sort-out which of your award winning phonostages would suit my cartridge. Yesterday, you said in answer to my email, that you were too busy to deal with my query by email. Ok, no problem , so to save you the trouble, as you were very busy, I put my query on the forum in the hope that somebody would be able to help me, as a newbie to this forum and your brand of phonostages. Luckily, someone came to my aid( above), and partly answered my query, which is great. I have not seen any other parts of this forum, so far, nor your reply to a doubter, only having seen both your website and your forum only yesterday, which I joined. You are quite correct in your second post, the 150pf was in fact the 150 ohm impedance, which it also mentions on my tiny instructions supplied with my cartridge. I also missed the greater -than sign for the 1,000ohms. Doh ! |
Graham Slee wrote:Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 8:48am
Come back & let us know how you get on Ian. ------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC. |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 1:50pm
Yes, please do. We are here to help. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 2:24pm
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Hi Ian, I went from a PP2 to a Reflex M some time ago and it was a revelation. Your cart is also vastly superior to what I was using at the time, so I imagine your step up would be even greater. It was no contest. Good luck! Mick. ------------- Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2 |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 3:08pm
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Thanks for your support, Guys, much appreciated. I was beginning to think that I had made a big mistake joining this forum, and looking to get a Graham Slee phonostage. I see that there are two PSU's available for some of the 'stages, whereas the top of the range ones use the top of the more expensive one(s). Surely it would be best to only have the one psu for the lower models in the range ? It would make more sense to me to only have the best for the best, as the xtra money for the better psu puts the lower range into the upper range ,pricewise. Just my initial thoughts, but tell me if you still use the entry level psu's with your phonostages, or have up-graded them since original purchase, please ? Cheers
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 9:18pm
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Hello Ian. I got a PSU1 as an upgrade of the DIY kit 'Genera' that came with the SMPS supply and was very happy with the music I heard afterwards. I kept the PSU1 for a long time, using it with a Reflex M (the multi-EQ version called Revelation M) eventually getting it upgraded to an Enigma PSU1 once I heard the loan Enigma with my Accession MC. That's a decade and a lot of records played. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 12:04am
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Hi Ian, The step from the standard to the PSU1 is significant. The lower end models (still superior to price competitors in my experience), also benefit from the PSU1, but this brand has always been about the best possible value for money. Models like the Reflex M really give their best with the PSU1. Indeed, when it was top of the line not too long ago the PSU1 was the obvious match. The Enigma power supply is a recent development designed for the Accession, but many have tried it with other products and report benefits. As they say, your mileage may vary. Having the upgrade option available for the lower models is a nice way to split the cost over time. Having had products with all three power supplies, I can assure you that each is supplied with the appropriate power source, but the upgrade options are always there. My personal two cents? If you’re buying a Reflex M, you really shouldn’t short change it. Get the PSU1 if you can afford it right away. Happy listening, Mick. ------------- Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2 |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 8:21am
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Thanks for all your help, Guys, much appreciated. I have decided, for the time being, to just stay with what I already have. I think it best to get an LP cleaning machine, as none of my collection have ever been cleaned. Plenty to do in the run-up to Christmas, then, assuming that it is not 'cancelled' like everything else !!!!  |
Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 11:41am
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You won't regret getting a good record cleaner Ian. A Moth or similar do a great job. ------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC. |
Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 8:58pm
As a fellow Dynavector 10x5 user, I'd emphatically second the Moth recommendation - built like a tank and makes even the riskier Discogs purchases sound pretty much like new. Might well be the best £600 I've ever spent on this hobby/obsession....
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Posted By: Pushpaw
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 9:59pm
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LP cleaning machines can be ridiculously expensive. I recommend getting a simple ultrasonic cleaning bath from eBay. I paid about $200 for mine and it does a phenomenal job of cleaning organic matter from records. You do have to manually spin the in the bath, but it’s worth saving a few thousand dollars if you ask me. I use distilled water with a small drop of dish soap to break surface tension (without colour or scent or other additives if possible).. I have resurrected a lot of old records this way, making them sound like new. Most crackle etc is just organic matter not scratches. Good luck! ------------- P******t Debut Carbon, Goldring 1042, GS Accession MM w/Enigma, GS Solo ULDE w/PSU1, Sennheiser HD6XX, Technics SU-800 IA, Castle Knight 1, PS Audio Ultimate Outlet, Lautus & CuSat50 |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 2:37pm
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Thanks Guys, much appreciate your input on this thread. I was going to get a Project VCE vacuum record cleaning machine which is around £329 in the UK. I don't know anybody that has used one, as yet....  |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2020 at 4:33pm
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I have just taken delivery of one of the Loan Scheme Reflex M phonostages with both the basic psu and the up-rated PSU 1 psu. I had a go with it this morning for a couple of hours, with the basic psu. I have both psu's mains powered at present, the idea being that they will both have been on exacltly the same amount of time as each other making it a level playing field as regards warm-up. Anyway, after 26 hours of warm-up, so far, I played Earl Klugh 'Soda Fountain Shuffle', Frankie Goes To Hollywood 'Two Tribes( sex mix on 45 rpm 12 inch ) and then Basia 'Time And Tide'. This is the first time that I have been able to audition any phonostage above the price of my Rega Fono mk2, so I was looking forward to the experience. So, to my ears, there is more authority/weight to the overall presentation than with the Rega, and a bit more bass as well as coherence to the overall sound. Transients etc, especially on the Frankie' 12 inch are something else, with effortless ease, control and dynamics. Impressive, so far and I will be swopping-over to the PSU 1 in a few days, so there should be another step- up in performance to look forward to. Cheers to all and wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year for 2021.
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Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2020 at 11:53am
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So, I have swopped-over to the PSU 1 after some 3 days( could not wait to try it out against the standard psu ). At first there was more 'authority' and a bit more dynamic than with the standard psu. Now, after some 10 days there is defo more 'weight' to the overall sound with the PSU 1. The effect, to my ears at least, is that the whole soundstage now 'sings' the notes rather than just 'plays' them. I am not used to all the 'reviewer terminology', so these are just my thoughts as a layman as to how this unit sounds with my modest hi-fi system, made up of all sorts of separates. I will have to send it back at the end of this coming week, but enjoying my first 'experience' of a more up-market phonostage to what I am used to. |
Posted By: Ian B
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 8:48pm
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So, testing complete. Would I buy a reflex M ? The answer is yes, but with the basic psu not the PSU 1. I have one or two others that I want to try before making my decision, and with lockdown upon us yet again, the process may take longer than anticipated. Cheers
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