Please convince me
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Topic: Please convince me
Posted By: 300BGB
Subject: Please convince me
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 9:43pm
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Hi all you headphones users,
I went through a phase when I thought a good pair of headphones was the next step to HiFi Nevada but having demoed the usual suspects back in the late nineties didn't proceed and haven't given it much thought since but I keep thinking "am I missing out on some good stuff"
I have a supportive wife so I don't need to listening in isolation or in the dark after hours so what is the real appeal to headphones?
Intemacy, 3D sound, head sound, super staging, superb dynamic range, black dark silence to crystal clear highs?
Please tell me.
Thanks, Brian
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 10:13pm
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If you have a suitable room for speakers, go for speakers. A nearfield desktop speaker setup is better value for money than top-of-the-line headphones. Headphones have become so stupidly expensive these days that I struggle to see their appeal anymore. My MySphere headphone cost me more than the rest of my system combined. I only bought mine as a reference and for an education. DIY speakers and digital EQ all the way!!
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Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 11:03pm
Hi Brian, The short & glib answer is listen for yourself & find out. A good set of headphones with a good amp can be a revelation but whether you like it or not is another thing. Some 'lauded' headphones sound poor.
------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC.
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Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 1:05am
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Hi Brian, It’s a good question. For me it’s not a case of better or worse, but different. With headphones you get to hear a sound completely unencumbered by a poor room and it’s reflections, lumpy bass and zingy highs. However, like Ash says, if you’ve got a good room, then you don’t have that problem. I enjoy headphones and speakers for the strengths of each, and I’m lucky to have a good and dedicated listening room. Perhaps a short pros and cons list...
Headphones - intimacy and detail, terrific microdynamics, even response and tonal balance, deeper bass extension. Cons for me are a smaller soundstage and I can’t share it with friends in real time.
Speakers - massive recorded acoustics on the classical performances I love, the physical impact of music, greater depth and width of soundstage, more tactile and textured and 3D. Cons - I really need to save for a good subwoofer!
I built my headphone and speaker systems to do two very different things, rather than try to balance each system so I get the same “experience”. I started with the assumption that I’d never get them to meet in the middle, so I wouldn’t try.
Again agreeing with Ash, if you don’t have a good room or perhaps don’t have the space, I’ve found headphones to be excellent value for money. Then again, I like what headphones do well, so I’m not chasing the top end.
Enjoy hearing what headphones can do in 2020 - I think if you go and demo a few you’ll see that they’ve come a long way in 25 years. There’s a huge amount of variety and you don’t need to shop at the top end to find something that (to my ears) easily bests the older classics like the HD600. All the best, Mick.
------------- Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2
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Posted By: 300BGB
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 4:43pm
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Many thanks for your views,
Mick I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head, and I do remember trying the HD600s which were the "goto choice" in many mags of the time.
I think, as Rich said, give it a go I might be hooked!
Thanks all, Brian
PS whats your thoughts on decent not silly money headphone please, to get me started?
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Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 4:53pm
AKG K-240 Studio https://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-Professional-Semi-Open-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1POW761C7KXT2&dchild=1&keywords=akg+k240&qid=1587916319&s=music&sprefix=akg+k240%2Cpopular%2C169&sr=8-1 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-Professional-Semi-Open-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1POW761C7KXT2&dchild=1&keywords=akg+k240&qid=1587916319&s=music&sprefix=akg+k240%2Cpopular%2C169&sr=8-1
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 5:32pm
Hi Brian first of all go for the best you can afford . Plus if you are buying brand new don't forget to burn in both headphones and headphone amp it will make a difference as I found out . out of the box turned on and I was not happy On what is best I find if I wont to listen to my music and I mean listen to it good headphones is the way for me. close my eyes and just listen. ( and forget the world around me) I read on the internet closing your eyes and listening you hear more of what's in the music I find it works for me JUST try it You can't go wrong with Graham Slee for headphone amps its what I've got and im well happy with it . SOLO plus PSU1 , as well phono amps Good luck and happy listening
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Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 2:09am
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Decent but not silly money - there’s a huge selection! Do you have somewhere you can try them out? Focal, Sennheiser, Audeze, AKG, Grado, Dan Clark Audio...all have excellent reputations with their mid-price models. Check out: Audeze LCD-2 Focal Elear The above mentioned AKG Sennheiser HD660
All common and well loved. You can read loads of reviews and get an idea of price and sound signature and go from there. Mick.
------------- Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 7:29am
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Some of these headphones are very expensive for the sound fidelity you actually receive. The second hand market like Ebay is the best place to learn for minimum money loss as incorrect headphone selection is pretty much a certainty until you've heard quite a few models and are fully aware of your own expectations and taste. Only buy really good condition with accessories and keep it all together in case you need to sell it on.
The listener matures with time and experience. Sometimes first, you have to experience what doesn't work so well before you fully appreciate what does. You don't always recognise progess when looking forward; it is often when you take a look back and reflect. My expectations are different from yours so I can't really suggest a headphone you will get along with. There is so much nonsense regarding headphone sound online. Sorting through it all is a journey in itself and became very tiresome for me.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 9:23pm
Aussie Mick wrote:
Hi Brian, It’s a good question. For me it’s not a case of better or worse, but different. With headphones you get to hear a sound completely unencumbered by a poor room and it’s reflections, lumpy bass and zingy highs. However, like Ash says, if you’ve got a good room, then you don’t have that problem. I enjoy headphones and speakers for the strengths of each, and I’m lucky to have a good and dedicated listening room. Perhaps a short pros and cons list...
Headphones - intimacy and detail, terrific microdynamics, even response and tonal balance, deeper bass extension. Cons for me are a smaller soundstage and I can’t share it with friends in real time.
Speakers - massive recorded acoustics on the classical performances I love, the physical impact of music, greater depth and width of soundstage, more tactile and textured and 3D. Cons - I really need to save for a good subwoofer!
I built my headphone and speaker systems to do two very different things, rather than try to balance each system so I get the same “experience”. I started with the assumption that I’d never get them to meet in the middle, so I wouldn’t try.
Again agreeing with Ash, if you don’t have a good room or perhaps don’t have the space, I’ve found headphones to be excellent value for money. Then again, I like what headphones do well, so I’m not chasing the top end.
Enjoy hearing what headphones can do in 2020 - I think if you go and demo a few you’ll see that they’ve come a long way in 25 years. There’s a huge amount of variety and you don’t need to shop at the top end to find something that (to my ears) easily bests the older classics like the HD600. All the best, Mick. |
Pretty much agree with all this. I think OP has to figure out what they like and what route to go. I prefer speakers and pretty much only use headphones when I have to, which is why I'm loathe to spend top dollar on a headphone rig. I do think even some of the inexpensive headphones you can buy nowadays can sound pretty good with some DSP/EQ. Worst case scenario OP can buy an inexpensive set of headphones to start with and see if they want to go further down the rabbit hole.
------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM610 MONO, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges.
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Posted By: 300BGB
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 4:28pm
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Great feedback chaps, many thanks - I guess it's just another path to explore (together with room correction, thanks Ash).
As we are in house arrest at the moment I was thinking maybe I could build the NOVO kit and start from there, anyone got any experience of the kit please?
thanks, Brian
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