Solo Ultra Linear and Planars
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Topic: Solo Ultra Linear and Planars
Posted By: capetownwatches
Subject: Solo Ultra Linear and Planars
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2019 at 6:29pm
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A quick question if I may. I own Audeze LCD2F planar magnetic headphones and to my ears my Solo UL drives them as close to their full potential as any amp I've owned.
Contrary to popular belief, they are sensitive (70R / 101dB/mW SPL) and don't need close to the 1W-4W that Audeze used to recommend. Being planars the load is purely resistive. What they DO need to bloom is plenty of voltage, and I was curious as to whether the UL provides sufficient? What is the maximum V out of the jack?
As I haven't managed to find any data online or on these fora I thought I might enquire here?
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2019 at 8:10pm
Max out is the IEC recommended 5 volts r.m.s., but the original UL uses output impedance correction feedback so I couldn't tell you what voltage will appear across 70 ohms without sticking the UL on the AP... but I don't have a UL. 
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2019 at 8:34pm
And I'm not lending you mine... At anything approaching 5V my eardrums would vaporise. So the short answer is "sufficient".
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2019 at 9:26am
I've no idea of the voltage requirements, but my UL drives Audeze LCD-2s to spectacular heights. And, incidentally my Novo/MrSpeakers Eon Flow Open is a super pairing too.
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2019 at 5:59am
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I have not yet come across a headphone that my Ultra Linear does not drive to its full potential, and I've used quite a few (see my signature). Output impedance correction feedback does what it's designed to do.
I would very much like to compare my pre 2012 non-DE to the current DE model, which has no impedance correction (yes, another shameless hint...) 
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2019 at 9:54am
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The Solo UL can even drive the AKG K1000 fully, as long as the drivers aren't opened out fully. At open halfway, the upper areas of the Majestic and Solo dials provided full drive to my ears, compared adjacently to Majestic into Proprius and I couldn't hear a difference. Both sounded equally good for such a low efficiency and high impedance load.
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Posted By: j633295
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 10:10am
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Hi Graham and others,
I already have the lovely Solo UDLE and am planning to purchase a pair of Audeze LCD-3 which has the following power requirement:
Impedance : 110 ohms Minimum power requirement >100mW Recommended power level >250mW
Does UDLE have enough "juice" to push the Audeze LCD-3 to its max performance please.
Would welcome any suggestions please
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 11:07am
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110 Ohm impedance and 101dB/mW sensitivity??
Similar load to my K1000 with a much higher electrical sensitivity and the drivers are closer to the ears. First glance from me says: will drive it fully with no problem. You won't max out the Solo.
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 11:10am
My LCD2F are similarly sensitive with slightly lower impedance (70Ω) and my Ultra Linear has no problem at all driving them with plenty to spare.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 11:43am
We read that its sensitivity is 101dB given 1mW, but requires 100mW.
100mW is 100 times 1mW and equates to a sound pressure gain of 20dB, so at 100mW, the sound pressure is 121dB.
The recommended 250mV results in only 4dB more sound pressure, making it 125dB.
Now, there are headphones, and there are headbangers, and anything that consistently hitting your eardrums above 90dB is a headbanger IMO.
120dB used to be the threshold of the onset of sensitivity to pain, and aural pain is linked to oral and nasal (possibly sinus) pain (the reason the NHS lumps them together under the specialisation ENT).
When I listen loud using speakers, the sound pressure, on my meter, reads about 80 - 85dB, on average. Any higher than that, and I experience compression of hearing on transients, and that can set off tinnitus.
Now, seeing it will do 101dB for only 1mW, and you need 14dB more to cover recorded transients, 115dB, worked backward, requires 25mW.
I estimate a maximum output for a 110-ohm load, from the ULDE of 80mW at 1% THD. I haven't measured this, but I have calculated it from the impedances I have tested.
An 80:1 sound pressure ratio is 19dB (log of 80 times 10), so you won't get 121dB, you will only get 120dB.
So, 1dB out, I'm afraid!
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 12:44pm
I use LCD-2s with the Solo ULDE and they sound great!
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 2:03pm
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AKG K1000 impedance of 120 Ohms and sensitivity of 74dB/mW SPL is driven great as long as the drivers are not fully opened out. Only fully opened out is there a limit to the volume achievable. At halfway open, still further away than most headphone drivers are positioned, volume goes high enough for loud comfortable listening. Sound was on-par with what I got out of the Proprius monoblocks. Super duper.
P.S I couldn't help but laugh at Graham's slightly sarcastic regret that 121dB couldn't be achieved.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 10:09pm
morris_minor wrote:
I use LCD-2s with the Solo ULDE and they sound great! |
Same here.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 8:02am
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The debate goes that, although an amp can technically deliver sufficient power to make the headphone go loud, MORE power equates to more "control" over the drivers, allowing them to scale to their full potential. More power equals more dynamics and better low end definition and quality. Better soundstage etc etc.
I have found this to hold true for SOME amp/headphone combinations, but as always YMMV.
I would be interested to hear other members' opinions but my take is that the significance of power output over all else when it comes to headphone amplifiers is grossly overemphasised.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 8:29am
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Slew rate; can the amplifier swing the voltage quickly enough to keep up with the input signal. If not, phase shift and intermodulation distortion can occur.
Max voltage swing will affect dynamic range when you try to turn the volume up. If insufficient, dynamic range can be audibly compressed.
Can the amp maintain the voltage swings? Is it stable enough or does the designer quote peak power rather than stable average power. As power is a rate and you can choose any duration of time to measure an energy transfer, you can greatly skew a measurement of real power. A bit like a velocity-time graph with an absurdly huge acceleration (very steep gradient), but only absurdly huge when consider a short time duration of micro-seconds (for example) and realise that it will not and cannot be maintained over a larger time interval.
Is the load suitable for the amplifier? So called "impedance matching" or "damping factor". If not, the desired frequency balance will not be achieved.
Et al
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 9:58am
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All very salient points Ash, these are relevant, reliable scientific data that will guide the user as to the suitability of an amp for a particular use case WHEN PROPERLY MEASURED and interpreted.
problem is most vocal critics don't understand squat about proper, relevant measurements and the interpretation thereof! For them more is always better, regardless of how the numbers were derived.
Component matching and synergy between gears is a dark art sometimes, and every so often a system sounds wonderful even though the numbers might suggest it should not. All part of the fun of this hobby.
Which is why I like to learn from experienced people who have been there and heard that and understand what really makes a difference.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 10:03am
So, electronics which aren't yet perfected (and probably never will), must be relied upon, to produce even larger signal voltages - capable of driving low-resistance and low impedance cone-attached coils in a box (or, the head-mounted equivalent) - to have greater command on what you hear?
Technology with paganism.
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Posted By: capetownwatches
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 10:18am
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Oh yes, witchcraft is very much a part of modern audio, did you not know that..?
"We can't give a scientific explanation, it just sounds better!"
There may well be something to that, but it's not technology, it's psychology.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 6:09pm
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Agreed. I think there is science in Graham's design process, whereas my listening process is subjective. I wonder if there is a bit of fetishisation of specs happening on those sites, like obsessing over a car's maximum speed or engine horsepower. rather than the driving experience?
Anyway in other words the amp's output should be sufficient so it goes as loud as you want without struggling with peaks. I bought my LCD-2's some years back and was really sceptical about the 4 watt headamps they described in fan threads as my portable HD player could drive them well in the shop and I don't even run my loudspeakers at 4 watts! The DAK Novo I had initially and then my Solo Ultralinear had no trouble making the music from my LCD-2's go really loud, although I enjoyed it more at a lower volume level and still do.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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