Frugel Horn Lite flat pack speaker kit
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Topic: Frugel Horn Lite flat pack speaker kit
Posted By: ICL1P
Subject: Frugel Horn Lite flat pack speaker kit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 8:56am
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Yesterday I collected a Frugel Horn Lite flat pack speaker kit from Stefan at http://www.kjfaudio.com" rel="nofollow - www.kjfaudio.com . These speakers will be for my daughter. I’ll let you know how I get on with build. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 10:39am
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Got the glue out yet, Ifor? I'll be watching with interest. I found OSMO Polyx oil gives very good results for finishing, got mine from here: http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product/osmo-polyx-oil" rel="nofollow - http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product/osmo-polyx-oil I put several coats on with a soft cloth and a light sand after each of the first 2 coats. Happy building Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 11:13am
OSMO Polyx oil, agreed, good stuff, great finish without too much prep.  ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 12:38pm
I even used it on my "new" turntable, built on an IKEA Bamboo Breadboard. ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 1:52pm
Not yet. Fitting a bath shower screen for the girl today and Caroline is using the dining table for upholstery. It’ll have to wait. Osmo Polyx Oil is already what I intend to finish them with. I recently used it on the dining room floorboards. The speakers will get a glossier finish. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
BackinBlack wrote:Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 1:54pm
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 2:04pm
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Thanks Ifor, Yes, Rega 24V motor and TT PSU, stock Rega sub platter and bearing, Deco Audio twin belt pullley, 33 rpm engineering 24mm acrylic platter and Audiomods Classic arm built from Jeffs' kit. I hope to upgrade the bearing and subplatter soon, I'll put it all in a thread soon. Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 2:51pm
Want a job?  ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 4:08pm
What's the pay like? ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 5:35pm
Erm...  ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2018 at 6:39pm
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That's a lovely TT, Ian! A prototype GSP one, bundled with GramDrive, Accession and a pair of Proprius for a turnkey system. Just add cartridge and speakers. ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 6:54pm
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Unboxing 
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 6:57pm
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Pre glue   All glued bar one side  
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 6:59pm
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Starting to cut and glue the felt.   
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 7:55pm
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Good progress Ifor. That looks like a very well machined flat pack kit. Did it go together without any fettling? Neatly cut felt too. Happy sanding and varnishing Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 8:19pm
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No fettling needed at all. It’s very well cut. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 10:55pm
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You're making this look very easy Ifor! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 10:59pm
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 11:05pm
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Even so the use of tape is clever for butting the edges up. When I was considering a kit or a self build I was going to use the old school glue and pin (thin nails) of my youthful speaker DIY. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:04pm
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Quick addition of top felt to both speakers this evening. 
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Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 6:17am
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Built the XL version last year . My ProAc SC1’s went on the Bay. Happy building. ------------- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2018 at 12:14pm
1st coat of Osmo Polyx Oil applied around speaker binding posts, though you would hardly know it, prior to assembly. Ready to stick the other side felts.   Stuck  ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 6:39pm
i'm looking for help now. My soldering skills are not good, but i have successfully built a couple of Genera phono stages. How do i best set about attaching the internal speaker wire to the speaker binding posts? I've been trying for a while and have, so far, been unsuccessful. It's what i struggled with most when building the FH3s for the boy, but that time i managed. i think i'm dealing withe thicker speaker cable this time. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 8:02pm
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I used Spatia wire, it's much thinner. For the thicker cable cut a few strands out so that you can thread it through the hole or make the hole bigger then solder. It will need a quite a bit of heat/time for the heavy brass part to get hot enough for the solder to flow. It's generally good practise to "tin" the parts first, ie apply a small amount of solder to coat each part before you bring them together, usually helps in getting the heat into the heavier part before you apply solder. Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 8:10pm
Thanks Ian. I used Spatia wire for the FH3s, which is probably why i’m Finding this so much more difficult. I’m not sure my soldering iron is man enough for it. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 9:12pm
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I would think that it would need at least a good 25W iron with a heavy chisel style bit. An alternative might be to use a solder tag type washer. Much easier to solder and fit as they are secured to the post with an extra nut. Perhaps a bit late to say this, but I use 4mm Instrument sockets on speakers and terminate my speaker cables with BFA 4mm BANANA PLUGS Z-type Gold Plated Cable Connectors http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-BFA-4mm-BANANA-PLUGS-Z-type-Gold-Plated-Hollow-Speaker-Cable-Connectors/302480843779?hash=item466d436403:g:kVIAAMXQ01tRUKwW" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-BFA-4mm-BANANA-PLUGS-Z-type-Gold-Plated-Hollow-Speaker-Cable-Connectors/302480843779?hash=item466d436403:g:kVIAAMXQ01tRUKwW Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 7:49am
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I would carefully tease the stranded wire into two halves, twist and tin them separately.Tin the flat bits of your terminal, then run one wire through the hole in your terminal, solder it with a 25W iron to the terminal, and sold the two wire ends together. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 9:24am
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Thanks Ian and Jon. I just checked my iron; it’s 50W so should be OK. I’ll try to get a new bigger tip for it tomorrow. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 6:36pm
I think I've found some Spatia left over from the FH3s. Does this look right? If so, can someone remind of the science as to why a cross sectional area of about one third is as good, or better (based on all the Spatia user experiences i've read) than what I've been trying to work with? ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 6:51pm
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Hi Ifor, The larger is I guess about 2.5mm2, good enough to carry up to 30 amps. To me this is overkill for a speaker rated at a few watts taking at most 2-3amps for full output. I like to think of Spatia as being far more "agile" in its ability to carry the signal. Whatever the reason, Spatia brings a significant improvement to the sound. Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 7:45pm
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It’s actually 4mm2. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 7:52pm
Best saved for monster subs in auto sound off systems!  ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 9:22pm
Saved by Spatia. It's not pretty, but it's done.  ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 10:08pm
| In my experience the material and construction should be the answer... |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2018 at 8:14am
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Well done Ifor. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 8:56am
Ian, what type of soft cloth did you use? I’ve applied a fist coat with a brush, but don’t really want to buy a new brush for each coat. Cloths might be cheaper that Osmo Brush Cleaner. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 9:52am
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Hi Ifor, I used some fine sponge for the first coat, then soft cotton cloth from old pillowcases/sheets. Make the cloth into a pad and apply in even light strokes in the same direction as the grain. For large areas I use the cloth wrapped around a sponge as it holds more liquid. If the surface is really smooth and finished with 600 grade AlOx "sandpaper", then just the cloth is OK, a light sanding with 600 grade after the first coat improves the depth of shine if you're really fussy! Have fun Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 10:38am
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Thanks. I didn’t know sandpaper that fine existed! ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 12:47pm
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Is this a new design across the Frugal horn range? Only the sides look to be chamfered rather butted. Made some XL’s about a year ago, sound excellent. ------------- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 1:14pm
It is the newest of the FH range. Stefan at KJF Audio has cut them all this way now, but not yet shown in the pictures on his website. His idea is that no clamping is needed, just tape. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 2:14pm
When it comes to refinishing car paint and metalwork 600 grade is quite coarse, finer than Aluminium Oxide, Silicon Carbide paper grade 1200, 1800 and even 2400 are available. ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Ernie
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 5:41pm
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Must make some Lites then to see what they’re like. Must save the pi## about of veneering too. ------------- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 8:50pm
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NIce work. I get my super fine abrasives for polishing from that big river place and have some 3200 and it probably goes even higher! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:29pm
I got a bit disheartened, because I messed up when putting the FH Lites together, having previously told you all how easy it was! I didn't have them lined up as well as I should have, which came as a bit of a shock when I finally glued the the final side to each speaker. I had a proud edge on each that needed sanding away and I haven't got the perfect finish that Stefan's new cuts are designed to produce. Anyway, in the end I'm pleased enough and importantly so is the girl. Job done!
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:32pm
    
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:34pm
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 9:45pm
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They look really good to me Ifor. Thanks for sharing the photos and the experience, I've been there too! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |