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Forum Name: Archetypal Genesis, Floyd and Yes Generation Stuff!
Forum Description: Hippie music from the 60's and 70's mainly to do with Rock
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Topic: Predictive Rock
Posted By: suede
Subject: Predictive Rock
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 9:26pm
Came across this on YT and it made me smile.




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Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia
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Johan



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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 4:56am
You can really tell he gets the story (not) Dead


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Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 8:39am
Well he did get some parts of it wrong IMO and it is very much on the nose but that's kind of the "joke" I think and intentionally made such?


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Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia
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Johan


Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 4:58pm
It would be quite interesting to hear the different interpretations that members of the forum may have of this mammoth of a prog rock classic. Seeing as it's probably on many a member's desert island list (and not merely for the economy of its length).
Genesis have got some very cryptic lyrics in many of their songs but this has always felt rather straightforward to me as being about the perils of trusting in the words of state propaganda and organised religion - which has both all too often throughout history been fanning the flames of war while speaking beautifully of peace. Any other insights into the meaning of the lyrics I'd be happy to hear!


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Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia
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Johan


Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 9:28pm
Wikipedia explains it all, and who would dare disagree?


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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 10:00pm
Let's face it during the early 70s most university chemistry labs were heavily into manufacturing "microdots" or "blotting paper" and it was trendy to be tripped out of yer head. Any young person around at that time who didn't know about it was in a monestery, or perhaps they knew too?

Lucy in the sky with diamonds was obviously about £ S D (pounds shillings and pence - old English money)...

Young blokes went about wearing long hair and beards and wizzard/monk habbits with massive flared sleeves, and equally massively flared jeans.

Bowie had the press believing lyrics like "Time, he flexes like a whore. Falls w**king to the floor" came about by "cut-ups".

So make of it what you will. There are possibly hundreds of interpretations.

And was LSD so new? See...





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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 10:09pm
And not forgetting...




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That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps


Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 5:11am
Originally posted by suede suede wrote:

It would be quite interesting to hear the different interpretations that members of the forum may have of this mammoth of a prog rock classic. Seeing as it's probably on many a member's desert island list (and not merely for the economy of its length).
Genesis have got some very cryptic lyrics in many of their songs but this has always felt rather straightforward to me as being about the perils of trusting in the words of state propaganda and organised religion - which has both all too often throughout history been fanning the flames of war while speaking beautifully of peace. Any other insights into the meaning of the lyrics I'd be happy to hear!
I used to have a tour programme (either Foxtrot or Selling England By The Pound, maybe both) with an insert containing a short explanation of the various parts of the song - something about two lovers & a series of religious-like experiences ending with apocalypse and finally Jerusalem. I don't try & understand or read too much into Suppers Ready - one of many hallucinogen inspired 60s-70s masterpieces.

(When I was at uni my mum cleared out my room leaving only a small box & all I have left now is a Hornby Flying Scotsman. ! I lost several gig programmes & momentos which would be worth quite a lot today).


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Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 5:38pm
So it's pretty much just your ordinary 23 minute long drug-fuelled psychedelic love song with undertones of biblical doom and nuclear destruction as well as being littered with religious imagery and allusions to farming. No wonder it still resonates so strongly today

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Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia
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Johan


Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:36am
At least the LSD-fuelled young people of that time were largely peaceful. Contrast that with today's violent and lawless young, and the political support which says they should be given the "space to destroy".

The same group - Genesis, performed one song regularly, which was about a future unthinkable violent event.

Quote - Wikipedia: "The song was unusually aggressive for Genesis at the time, as most of their work consisted of soft, pastoral acoustic textures and poetic lyrics."

Quote - Peter Gabriel: "The lyrics for The Knife were partly me being a public schoolboy rebelling against my background. I'd been heavily influenced by a book on Gandhi at school, and I think that was a part of the reason I became a vegetarian as well as coming to believe in non-violence, as a form of protest. And I wanted to try and show how all violent revolutions inevitably end up with a dictator in power."

Egged on by people like this?



And his mate who succeeded in politicizing music recently...

So here's another Genesis track for your delectation



Sorry if you don't like me pointing out the obvious.



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Posted By: RichieCactus
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2017 at 7:37pm
Graham - could not agree with you more !




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Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 1:35am
Eve of Destruction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I




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