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Topic: Music Matters Bluenote reissues
Posted By: Sturgus
Subject: Music Matters Bluenote reissues
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:13am
Just wondering if anyone has tried any of the Music Matters Bluenote reissues? It seems they are regarded highly but a tad expensive. Thinking of picking up a few to try out.
Sturgus

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Posted By: Godra
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 1:23am
Hi ! I have a few reissue of Music Matters (Grant Green- Matador and Green Street, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers-Moanin, Kenny Burrell- Midnight blue). I think they are splendid, more so the 45 rpm, but yes, they do cost a bit. Due to their cost (50 to 65$ in canadian dollars), I buy only those I know I will listen to a lot.


Posted By: Godra
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 11:39pm
You could also take a look at Analog Productions, Mobile Fidelity lab and Impex. They all make great reissue.


Posted By: Sturgus
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2016 at 5:10am
Thanks guys. I picked up the Music Matters Thad Jones ( The Magnificent Thad Jones ) Horace Parlan Quintet (Speakin' My Piece ) Andrew Hill (Point Of Departure ). I got them in the 33rpm. When I give them a spin will let you know what I think.
Sturgus

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Musical Design pre/Dac/Phono Amps Aronov
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Pioneer pd-75/ squeezebox


Posted By: Dignan2000
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:37am
Probably old news for most, but it’s worth noting that Music Matters co-owner Joe Harley is producing a series of excellent vinyl reissues in-house for Blue Note. The first records were released earlier this year and the series is expected to continue through at least 2020. Check out the “Tone Poet” series if you haven’t already.

Another reissue series to check out is Blue Note’s “BN 80.” The packaging is not at the same caliber as the Tone Poet series, but the LP choices and sound quality are both very good. 


Posted By: clangs
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 2:57pm
The Music Matters reissues are very well done. The covers are beautiful and feature previously unseen photos from the sessions. The pressings, in my experience range from excellent to superb. The SRX vinyl that they are now using is extremely quiet but I'm not sure it is more than a minor improvement over the formulation they were using previously. The main complaint about Music Matters is the price and their policy of raising the prices on records that are getting near then end of the limited edition run. The Tone Poet series is possibly the best bargain in record buying today. In all but name, they are Music Matters records at 1/2 to 2/3 of the price. They do not use the SRX vinyl, but the pressings I own are all beautiful and super quiet. The Tone Poet series also has been more adventurous than Music Matters in selection of titles.
    Both series have been a bit controversial in Blue Note collector circles because they have been mastered with the goal of sounding as much like the master tapes as possible and do not attempt to duplicate the sound of the original Blue Note records. Rudy Van Gelder used various compression and frequency boosting techniques to make the records sound better on the limited equipment most listeners used in the 50s and 60s and to compensate for the rapid, severe groove wear caused by heavy tracking tonearms and use of worn styli. There has been much criticism in collector circles that the Music Matters and Tone Poets "Don't sound like Blue Notes". I have owned many original Blue Note Pressings and in my opinion, the MM and TP issues sound better--more naturally balanced tonally, sweeter, with better bass and more "air". More like music and less like a record. This is, I think, a minority opinion.       
    


Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 3:49pm
I have a few MMJ reissues. Very pleased with them but I wasn't pleased with their yo-yo pricing model which I found very distasteful. I had to draw the line somewhere. Some of the titles I have they are now selling for exorbitant prices which seem to change on a dime according to the head honcho's whims. Other reissue companies don't really do this for the most part. Their customer service could also be a lot better. 

RE: the Tone Poet series, I have a few of them but have stopped buying them blind because there are major tape problems with some of the titles they are releasing. Severe tape wow that is inexcusable IMHO. If you are at all sensitive to pitch, it's worth doing your research on what titles are affected the worst and avoiding those. Andrew Hill's Black Fire was a tragedy IMHO and never should have been reissued with such severe tape wow issues. What I said above also applies to the BN80 series. Some of those titles are affected as well. 

RE: Kevin Gray's decision not to copy RVG's mastering style, I've got no problem with that. I have a bunch of old BN records too that were mastered by RVG, among other work he did in the 60s and 70s. RVG had to deal with the limitations of low-end record changers that were common at the time, so that's what he mastered for. He also embraced digital recording and mastering when that came along and went on record saying he hated vinyl - I guess he felt there were too many compromises with the format. I have some CDs he mastered as well and can't say I particularly like them all that much compared to other's work on BN CD reissues. RVG also applied significant compression on those and even seemed to narrow the stereo image a bit too. 


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Posted By: Godra
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 4:02pm
Thanks for the heads-up patientot. I'll be cautious when buying Tone Poets. I have 3 reissues of this series : Wayne Shorter - Etcetera, Gil Evans - New Bottle Old Wine and Chick Corea - Now He Sings, Now He Sobs. I don't recall them having any problems, but for the future I'll read a bit before buying. 

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Posted By: JazzHead
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 1:03am
I have a small collection of 33s,45, and SRXs. They all are fantastic. Music Matters still has some records for sale at the original price. Elusive has some MMs cheaper and some titles marked way higher, so it pays to shop around. 


Posted By: kgilroy
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2020 at 2:21pm
Agree with all of the comments. I have a number of Music Matters albums as well as a couple of Tone Poet releases.
All of the Music Matters sound great and are some of the best sounding records I own.
The Tone Poets "Introducing Kenny Burrell" sounds great as does my copy of Dexter Gordon's Clubhouse.

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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2020 at 2:31pm
MMJ has some releases planned for 2020. My guess is they'll be SRX editions of albums already issued by MMJ, and that they'll be expensive, as much as they can milk from their customer base. 

Tone Poet 2020 releases are delayed right now. They have some great releases on the horizon but it remains to be seen if they can minimize the tape warble issues that have plagued some of the TP/BN80 releases. 

The last TP release I bought was Stanley Turrentine's Hustlin' LP. There is no piano, as organ is the keyboard instrument on it. That's a good thing if you are pitch sensitive because pitch problems, if they are there (and they probably are) stick out a lot less. There is a mono tape splice on this stereo LP but it's been there since the album was first released in 1965. Overall a very nice sounding LP and worth getting if you are a fan of Turrentine. 


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Posted By: kgilroy
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2020 at 3:06pm
Thanks for the recommendation on Turrentine. I have a Music Matters "Look out" and Up at Minton's which I really like.

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Keith

Marantz TT-15S1, Maestro V2, Accession MM, Icon Audio Stereo 40 Mk lll, Wharfedale Jade 3.

Mac Mini, BitPerfect, Dynaudio Xeo2

Marantz SA-15S1, Apple TV, Cambridge CXA60, B&W DM2000, REL Sub


Posted By: kgilroy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 9:47pm
Has anyone compared the SRX issues with the regular Music Matters releases? I see that they are offering more this year at even higher prices and the selection is a repeat of some popular titles.

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Keith

Marantz TT-15S1, Maestro V2, Accession MM, Icon Audio Stereo 40 Mk lll, Wharfedale Jade 3.

Mac Mini, BitPerfect, Dynaudio Xeo2

Marantz SA-15S1, Apple TV, Cambridge CXA60, B&W DM2000, REL Sub


Posted By: Godra
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 1:35am
I did not yet bought a SRX reissue. If ever I do, due to the high price, it won't be a Music Matters reissue I already have. The 45 Music Matters were also costly. So the cost adds up quicky !!! Hopefully someone will compare and post his opinions on the matter. You may take a look at steve hoffman forum. 

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Posted By: kgilroy
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:59pm
There seem to be mixed views on the SRX around the web. The vinyl looks a lot like the MoFi One Step - translucent. I have 2 of the One Step releases and they sound really good. Noticeably better than their Analogue Productions counterparts. Of course that may have little to do with the vinyl material.

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Keith

Marantz TT-15S1, Maestro V2, Accession MM, Icon Audio Stereo 40 Mk lll, Wharfedale Jade 3.

Mac Mini, BitPerfect, Dynaudio Xeo2

Marantz SA-15S1, Apple TV, Cambridge CXA60, B&W DM2000, REL Sub



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