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Why I’m Really Annoyed with The Reflex M

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Topic: Why I’m Really Annoyed with The Reflex M
Posted By: hedgehog@35
Subject: Why I’m Really Annoyed with The Reflex M
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 4:22pm

[1]I have been enjoying listening to a Relflex M phono stage courtesy of the GSP loan scheme and those lovely forum members who organise everything - thanks Jon!
I have had many wonderful pieces of Hi Fi gear over the last 45 years, but only in the last few, that I have been able to 'indulge' myself a little more freely (well as freely as you can when the rest of your family would be quite happy with a 100 quid Panasonic mini system).
Several years ago I had a Rega Brio amplifier and used its internal phono stage with a Rega planar 3 and Goldring cartridge. But it was only when I added a Gram amp 2 SE, that I really began to hear what makes vinyl sound so special. I posted a short description which you can read here:
http://audio-forum.gspaudio.co.uk/upgrading-from-ga2se-to-reflex-m_topic2686_page3.html
Having heard such a huge improvement moving from an inbuilt phono stage to the Gram amp , I expected that the 'law of diminishing returns' would kick in as I moved higher up the GSP ladder. I expected the Reflex to be better than the Era Gold I now have. I did not however, expect to hear the dramatic improvement I had first experienced with the GA 2. I thought I might appreciate a little more detail and perhaps a widening of the sound stage.
But when the needle hit the groove of ‘Chuck E.’s in Love’ by Rikki Lee Jones (always my first lp to try something new), I was completely gobsmacked as RLJ’s voice flowed out the speakers with a texture and feeling that I hadn’t noticed before.

Switching to some classical, Karajan’s last recordings of Beethoven’s symphonies have never sounded better – the strings actually sounded like air vibrating in the wooden bodies of violins, cellos and double basses. The brass section of the BPO had that lovely rasping sound which is so difficult to capture on a recording.

Smaller scale works such as Vivaldi’s flute concertos played on the recorder, sounded amazingly life -  like. For such a simple instrument, it seems very difficult to portray the high pitched notes of a recorder on a hifi system without it sounding like a penny whistle!  But again, with the Reflex in my system, you could hear the vibration of air inside a hollow wooden tube and know that this was a real human being playing!

The only way that I can summarise the improvements in sound quality is to use a visual analogy. Listening to music through the internal phono stage of the Rega was like looking at a very nice black and white landscape photograph. Adding the Gram Amp 2 brought colour and detail to the scene. The Era Gold made those colours much more vivid, allowing much smaller details to be seen. It also stretched the picture sideways to become a panorama. What the Reflex does is to add shading and highlights to the picture so that it is no longer appears flat and two – dimensional. It gives solidity and texture to all the objects in view. In other words, everything in our landscape seems three – dimensional and therefore ‘more real’.

So why am I annoyed? Well I thought it would be nice to listen to the Reflex simply to compare with the Era Gold, then send it back knowing that I could be perfectly happy with what I had already. But it has knocked that for six, because I now know how much more is ‘locked’ in the grooves of my records. What’s more, I could even get a discount for being a contributor to this forum.

So shame on you GSP – you have made it too easy to buy your products!

There is one great thing about GSP phono stages – they look kind of similar to each other. I wonder if my wife would even notice when I upgrade?

 

Gear used for listening: MIchell Gyro SE with HR power supply and Orbe clamp; SME M2-9 arm:Ortofon 2M Black; Creek Evolution amplifier; Spendor 3/5R2 speakers; Mark Grant interconnects and speaker cables.

 



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Russell



Replies:
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 5:21pm
Nice post Russell, I've often wondered how GSP phono stages scale as you step up the range. It seems widely acknowledged that something like the GA2SE gives terrific bang for your buck and that things get better from there .. but by how much? I guess you know the answer to that now.

Now whatever you do...don't try an Accession. I repeat..do not be tempted to PM Jon aka Fatmangolf and try one of those. Oh no..definitely not!


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Dave

Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables ->


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 6:04pm
Yes I certainly wouldn't try the accession. No way!!!



Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 6:33pm
The GSP annoyance is tantalizing, isn't it ? ! Wink


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Bruce
AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way!


Posted By: oldagetraveller
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 11:08am
Just echoing what Dave has said, you would be absolutely livid if you trialed an Accession.
A few weeks ago I replaced my Reflex M with an Accession and even on first listen, without any "burn in", I was absolutely gobsmacked at what I was hearing from that little record groove!


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Peter

P T- LPT/RB300/G1042, Pink Triangle Tarantella/Nima/Ortofon 2M Black, SL1210II, Naim CD5, NAC112, NAP150, Flatcap2, Proac SC1, GS SoloUL,GS Accession , Senn HD250 & HD540.


Posted By: hedgehog@35
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 5:54pm
Thank you everbody for the advice about trying the accession. I'm now tempted to ignore it.
Can I now ask a really stupid question?
The volume control linked to the variable output sockets, and is designed for optimising level when digitising viny or when using it as a preamp linked to a suitable power amp(s).
Does this mean that you are only varying the attenuation of the signal (as in a normal volume control), and not the overall gain which is 41.5dB? So you could not use this to vary the gain that accession produces as this is quite separate from volume?
Sorry to appear thick, but it's a long time since I studied any electronics!


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Russell


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 2:23pm
I believe the volume control on the Accession attenuates the signal. I use it for lowering the level passed to an ADC for ripping vinyl.

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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

I believe the volume control on the Accession attenuates the signal.


Correct.


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That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps


Posted By: Sturgus
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 5:51am
Russell, I concur the same thing has happened to me also. I have become a victim of the dreaded Ascension!!! Be glad you haven't tried it yet. I would suggest that you don't. I was quite happy with my Era-Gold and just borrowed the Accession and Reflex-M just so I could be happy with my Era-Gold. What can I say Bruce & Graham have conspired to upset my happy little system and it will never be the same again. I have the Accession on the way. The only good thing is it's small and looks close to the same as the Era-Gold. I can sneak it in the rack and the wife will be none the wiser.     So all I can say is I know how you feel.
Sturgus

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Musical Design pre/Dac/Phono Amps Aronov
VPI HW-19 Lustre 801 /Koetsu-Rosewood /GS Elevator/Accension / LP12 Audiomods-Nagoka500 Merlin VSM speakers Dalhquist subs
Pioneer pd-75/ squeezebox


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 10:07am
You're safe for now as I don't have an Accession loan unit.

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: hedgehog@35
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 10:22am
Thanks for all the positive feedback on my little review.
I'm afraid I am going to pass on the Accession as my shiny new Reflex arrived yesterday. Sounded good from the off, but will get even better.
Thanks to Graham/John for really fast delivery!
Don't really want to sell my Era Gold on 'that' auction site so shall be putting it for sale on the forum in a few days. I'm sure it will find a good home.


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Russell


Posted By: TheIncredibleHoke
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2016 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by Sturgus Sturgus wrote:

The only good thing is it's small and looks close to the same as the Era-Gold. I can sneak it in the rack and the wife will be none the wiser.    
Sturgus


Totally cracking up here... LOL


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Shawn


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2016 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by Sturgus Sturgus wrote:

The only good thing is it's small and looks close to the same as the Era-Gold. I can sneak it in the rack and the wife will be none the wiser.    
Sturgus
It's not just me that's done this, then . . Embarrassed

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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2016 at 7:55pm
Nope!



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