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Topic: Brilliant and Gorgeous
Posted By: morris_minor
Subject: Brilliant and Gorgeous
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 4:28pm
"Brilliant and gorgeous" is what Hana means in Japanese http://airaudio.co.uk/brands/hana/%20 - according to the distributor of the new line of MC cartridges under the Hana name.

Feeling the need (Embarrassed) for a new cartridge to add to my little collection I pre-ordered a Hana EL (elliptical stylus, low-output) - there's also a Shibata-tipped version, and both have high and low output variants.

The low output versions would seem to compete head to head with the likes of Ortofon's Quintet. I've never heard a Quintet, but have a Vivo Red and Rondo Blue which came in either side of the EL price point, so these are my main points of reference, as well as a more expensive Zyx R100.

So, I hear you cry - what's it like? Well, from the off it sounded punchy and detailed throughout the range, and now with around 10 hours on the clock it's getting more refined. With that tell-tale MC sparkle, a deep, controlled bass and liquid mid-range that renders vocals very appealingly, I'd say it was excellent value for money. The Shibata version probably has more detail, and the high output versions (2mV) are likely to sound almost as a good. 

The cartridges are made by the Excel Sound Corporation, who apparently have been (are?) a big producer of OEM cartridges. This is probably the reason for the competitive price/performance.

I feel no need to return to the Zyx any time soon, and the Vivo and Rondo are going to be languishing in the drawer for quite some time, I think.

BTW all listening done with the Accession and Elevator EXP. Here's a pic, playing Alan Parson's "On Air" . . .




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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
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Replies:
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 5:14pm
Not sure I fancy it if it turns all of your records blue!!!

Richard


Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by Richardl60 Richardl60 wrote:

Not sure I fancy it if it turns all of your records blue!!!

Richard
Maybe this cart this cart is so good that it creates 'audio porn?'Cool

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Older than I once was, younger than I'll be
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Andrew


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by Drewan77 Drewan77 wrote:

Maybe this cart this cart is so good that it creates 'audio porn?'Cool
Well, it is becoming quite addictive . . . Shocked

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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 8:19pm
Nice. I am expecting to replace my Zyx before long. Is this a good replacement Bob?

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 8:24pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BGYWvcyYKU


I think "hana" in Japanese means either "flower" or "nose" depending on the context and exact way it is written.


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 11:37am
New year and for me a new cartridge upgrade comes calling. 

Currently using a Rondo Red via a Reflex C but can't stretch to a Dynavector Karat 17D3 as recommended by OL for use in their arm. The Hana EL or SL appear to be more affordable - what's the verdict on the performance of your EL now its had a few more hours usage? 

New year wishes to all GSP users for many hours of happy listening in 2016! 


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by McHolmeM McHolmeM wrote:

The Hana EL or SL appear to be more affordable - what's the verdict on the performance of your EL now its had a few more hours usage?
Originally posted by Fatmangolf Fatmangolf wrote:

Nice. I am expecting to replace my Zyx before long. Is this a good replacement Bob?

I'm very impressed by the EL, and kind of wishing I'd forked out for the Shibata version to get that bit more refinement. But since it was so new, and there were no reviews or opinions anywhere I erred on the side of caution.

On my Kenwood DD, the arm is the limiting factor, and comparing the EL and Zyx R100H was very interesting because the differences to my ears were vanishingly small. It's hard to get over the "expectation bias" of assuming the Zyx to be better, but for all practical purposes I found myself enjoying the Hana just as much as the Zyx for around a quarter of the price. Getting the Hana SL for another £171, which promises to be better because of the stylus profile, would still make it somewhat of a "bargain" in the MC world. The same price for a high output version brings lots of great MMs into the frame - and it would be nice to compare some; no doubt, in time, online reviews will appear doing just that.

But the price/performance ratio of the low output versions is sky high IMO. No doubt being a new brand from an OEM maker has made it very competitive.

Jon - I forget which tonearm you use with your Zyx. It's quite possible you get better performance from your R100 than I do, and you have the lower output version, too, don't you?

Recommending cartridges is a tricky thing. All I can say is I'm very happy indeed with the EL. With Graham's electronics it makes great listening. Big smile



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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 3:32pm
Thanks for your evaluation, Bob. 

Only two dealers handling Hana and both many miles from here but I'll pursue it with one of them.

I wonder - does having a daughter who shares the same name also count for some kind of recommendation!   


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by McHolmeM McHolmeM wrote:

I wonder - does having a daughter who shares the same name also count for some kind of recommendation!   
Most likely! Wink

I bought mine online (eventually, when their website caught up) from http://www.soundfidelity.co.uk/products/hana - Sound Fidelity . Charles, there, was very helpful.


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 6:19pm
Thanks Bob. I've really enjoyed the R100L (yes it is the 0.24mV version) on my OL Zephyr arm, moving it up from the SL1210 to the Gorbe.

The Hana seems to be a bargain and may well be on my shopping list for 2016.


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 9:06am
FYI.

I've just come across http://www.soundwaves-turntables.com/img/HiFi-World-Feb-2015-Review.pdf - this review of the Hana EL and EH cartridges . . 

And http://hifipig.com/hana-s-range-moving-coil-cartridges/ - this one of the SL and SH variants . . 


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 10:22am
The review of the Hana SL pretty much concurs with my impressions this week, the cartridge was fitted on Monday and so far has 5 hours on it so hardly run in yet.

Not so easy to align due to the shape of the body and with a weight half that of the Rondo Red it replaced I was nearly reaching for some Blu Tack to load the headshell to achieve the 2 gram recommended tracking weight. The counterweight on the OL arm was on the limit of its travel.

The Hana SL provides much more detail in the presentation than I've been used to and over a wider soundstage too, seems to be a deeper picture as well and the position of individual instruments can easily be pinpointed. Cymbals are much more accurately presented which is probably a combination of the Shibata stylus and the Tannoy super tweeters complementing each other.

Has worked well with everything that I've thrown at it so far and female vocals are especially good. Played Danny and the Champions of the World yesterday afternoon and then saw the real thing last night, a band well known for their rocking live performances.

   


Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 10:27am
These review very well Bob - the SH variant could even tempt an MM acolyte like me Shocked 

Maybe one day (although I currently have my eye on an Audio Note IQ3).


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Older than I once was, younger than I'll be
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Andrew


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 10:36am
It's great you're enjoying your SL, Malcolm .. Thumbs Up 

I'm thinking about a SH for my Biotracer now! Embarrassed


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 1:52pm
The Hana SL has certainly succeeded in enhancing my musical enjoyment, Bob, with the opportunity to now revisit old vinyl and rediscover it. This improvement I'm sure is also down to the ability of the Reflex C to capture the additional information the Hana SL is extracting from the grooves and pass on the benefits to the rest of the system.

We all know how good Graham's kit is and it's good to see the press has also recognised this - the Gram Amp 2 Communicator is the winner in a group test of sub-£400 phono stages in the latest issue (Feb 2016) issue of Hi-Fi Choice.  


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by McHolmeM McHolmeM wrote:

. . . the Gram Amp 2 Communicator is the winner in a group test of sub-£400 phono stages in the latest issue (Feb 2016) issue of Hi-Fi Choice.  
This is good news! Thumbs Up


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 8:40pm
You're definitely tempting me towards the low output Shibata MC version Bob. And I've got a birthday coming up, one of those where the batsman lifts their bat to the crowd... I'll settle for turning the volume up slightly!


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Fatmangolf Fatmangolf wrote:

And I've got a birthday coming up, one of those where the batsman lifts their bat to the crowd... 
You're doing well for a hundred, then, Jon! LOL


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 6:12pm
Indeed, I gave myself a generous discount Bob!

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 11:23am
Fab review of hana by Geoff husband at TNT. Having tried one of those in the comparison selection discussed in test which I did like it does appear with the audiomods this represents excellent vfm !!


Posted By: jeremyo
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 11:42am
Has anyone tried these with Rega arms? This thread - and the HiFi+ review - make these sound extremely tempting and great value, as long as they sit happily on an RB300. I'd be looking at the EH, I think. Though this has just made my shortlist longer again - how am I ever to decide!?


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 1:20pm
Audition one?   There are a select number of dealers who do have serious vinyl front end demo facilities.


Posted By: Paul H
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:18am
Has anyone who owns a Hana also heard a 2M Black? I'm enjoying the latter's sound but finding it too unforgiving on some of my older vinyl. Given that the Black also has a Shibata stylus, I wonder how the Hana S treats worn grooves in comparison.

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ProJect 1Xpression Carbon UKX w/ Ortofon 2M Black; Arcam Alpha 7 CD player; Graham Slee Revelation M pre; Denon PMA 355UK amp; Epos K1 speakers; Blue Jeans LC-1 interconnects. Room: 2.9m x 3.1m.


Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Paul H Paul H wrote:

Has anyone who owns a Hana also heard a 2M Black? I'm enjoying the latter's sound but finding it too unforgiving on some of my older vinyl. Given that the Black also has a Shibata stylus, I wonder how the Hana S treats worn grooves in comparison.

Just a thought Paul, if you have a PSU-1 with the Revelation-M. I've found that with the 2M Black & to a lesser extent other MM cartridges, on my system one orientation of the figure-of-8 cable tends to bring out a slight harshness to the treble on less than perfect recordings. Have you tried swapping this around?


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Older than I once was, younger than I'll be
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Andrew


Posted By: Paul H
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 6:53pm
I don't have a PSU-1 with my Slee, but some useful advice if ever I do upgrade :). 

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ProJect 1Xpression Carbon UKX w/ Ortofon 2M Black; Arcam Alpha 7 CD player; Graham Slee Revelation M pre; Denon PMA 355UK amp; Epos K1 speakers; Blue Jeans LC-1 interconnects. Room: 2.9m x 3.1m.


Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:38pm
The Shibata stylus profiles do respond to VTA.
The headshell needs to be parallel to the record0's surface.
It might be worth doing a general VTA setup making use of a tiny bubble level.
If you haven't got a set of bubble levels then you need  set - they're not all that expensive
I wouldn't trust it to visual alignment only.

I can't say that my Hana SH points out faults - they're still there, but nothing attracts serious attention to itself.





Posted By: Paul H
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 11:21am
I have the VTA set slightly tail down, that is, my tonearm is slightly lower at the pivot to reduce the treble slightly. Even so, the 2M Black is really unforgiving of surface noise. I'm tempted to try a Hana S but not if this is a characteristic of Shibata styli in general.

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ProJect 1Xpression Carbon UKX w/ Ortofon 2M Black; Arcam Alpha 7 CD player; Graham Slee Revelation M pre; Denon PMA 355UK amp; Epos K1 speakers; Blue Jeans LC-1 interconnects. Room: 2.9m x 3.1m.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 1:47am
hi All,
   I have no such drama with my 2M Black on the RP8. It's not as quiet as the Bronze, granted, but I've had much noisier than the Black. I use Acoustic Signature shims under the RB808 arm to raise it 3mm. They're EASY to use and quite cheap, too.
Mick.

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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 4:12am
And another thought! If the headshell bolts are too tight, the upper harmonics can get quite the boost. It tightens up the bass, but makes the overall sound much brighter.
Mick.

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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Aussie Mick Aussie Mick wrote:

And another thought! If the headshell bolts are too tight, the upper harmonics can get quite the boost. It tightens up the bass, but makes the overall sound much brighter.
Mick.


That's something of a potential problem for all cartridges with captive threads.
I've had a couple of carts like that, my DNM Reson Reca and my Sumiko BPS Evo III, and I found that they both got a bit screechy if the bolts were over tightened.

I think that in this day and age that all cartridges should have captive threads, so I was a little bit disappointed to find that the Hana carts don't have them.
As problems go it's no biggie, but it would have been nice if it did have them.
Tiny nuts and bolts and large fingers make for much swearing, but the old nuts and bolts scenario makes it much harder to over tighten things.


Posted By: hedgehog@35
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 4:39pm
Totally agree about captive threads on cartridges. Spare a thought for us over - sixties with dodgy eyesight and shaky hands. Even after mounting the cartridge, a real pain to do fine adjustments for overhang and offset with nuts and bolts. One reason why I went to SME where once the cartridge is fixed to the headshell you don't have to touch it again!
Have to agree with Mick about the  2M black. Does have extended treble and lots of detail, but like all cartridges, I think you have to balance the sound with the rest of your system. Don't think I would use if my electronics or speakers erred towards the bright side of neutral.
Also sometimes think that the 2M black is paired with arms that don't really do it justice.
I'd rather spend my money on getting the best deck and arm I could even if meant getting a cheaper cartridge. I have found that a good, cheap cartridge in a great turntable usually sounds better than an expensive cartridge in a moderate deck.
Others might disagree!


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Russell


Posted By: Paul H
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by hedgehog@35 hedgehog@35 wrote:

Also sometimes think that the 2M black is paired with arms that don't really do it justice.
Quite possibly. Mine sits in my ProJect deck because the deck came supplied with a 2M Red that I didn't enjoy, so I took the plunge and upgraded to Black. I rather suspect that the light tonearm would work better with a different cart but find one - in terms of spec - is proving rather tricky.


Originally posted by hedgehog@35 hedgehog@35 wrote:

I'd rather spend my money on getting the best deck and arm I could even if meant getting a cheaper cartridge. I have found that a good, cheap cartridge in a great turntable usually sounds better than an expensive cartridge in a moderate deck. Others might disagree!

You're possibly right, but again, one has to cut one's cloth to suit. I have no option to upgrade my TT without incurring the wrath and upset of my dear wife (it was a wedding present from her). So all I can do is get the most out of it by upgrading the equipment "around" it. That's not to say that the Black is best option but when the only real way to find out is to buy and try, that becomes a cost-limited project.


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ProJect 1Xpression Carbon UKX w/ Ortofon 2M Black; Arcam Alpha 7 CD player; Graham Slee Revelation M pre; Denon PMA 355UK amp; Epos K1 speakers; Blue Jeans LC-1 interconnects. Room: 2.9m x 3.1m.


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 8:54am
Anyone wanting to hear my Hana EL need look no further than here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfwASpIepx0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfwASpIepx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFoYpStGgw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFoYpStGgw


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 11:46am
Very good, Bob. 

The Eric Coates music for me certainly evokes memories of Workers Playtime of the 1950s listened at home during the school lunch break!

Still enjoying my Hana SL. Sound Fidelity had one on demo at the National Audio Show, it was fitted to a prototype turntable built in north Oxford that was launched at the show by Planalogue Limited. The turntable goes under the name of The Prelude, brief details on their web site     
http://www.planalogue.com/  - www.planalogue.com/ 


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 12:59pm
Nothing like a bit of nostalgia, is there?

I can remember Workers' Playtime on the Home Service, too - though possibly in the 60s (?). 

That turntable looks interesting, too. (I had a problem with the link, but http://static1.squarespace.com/static/57dabcab2e69cf3412477285/t/57dad4e146c3c4f9eef0b046/1473959149324/PLA+A5+post+card+v2.pdf - here's the PDF they have . . .)


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 2:23pm
The Prelude turntable as pictured in the pdf is fitted with what looks like a Hana SL and Origin Live Silver tone arm which, coincidentally, is the same combination I use. 

I wonder if they do a loan scheme on the turntable... Disapprove 


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 2:34pm
What turntable do you use, Malcolm? 

I wonder what price the Planalogue will come in at? I guess they think there's a market for a newcomer. I hope it sounds as good as it looks Wink.


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 3:45pm
My turntable might also qualify for the nostalgia label as it started life as a Rega Planar 2 in 1987, the only original parts remaining are the lid and motor. It's for the reason of the latter I was interested in Graham's recent rim drive experimentation.

The Prelude certainly was finished to an impressive standard with a high gloss black finish which would match my PMC speakers nicely! Peter Laitt of Planalogue did ask me what price did I think; actual retail less arm and cartridge was quoted as £2395 which appeared competitive.

And it sounded good too as he played a track familiar to me on a record I'd just bought there.

A favourite jazz cd of mine is At First Light by Norwegian vocalist Silje Nergaard which was released 15 years ago. Found a vinyl version of this at the show, lacquer cut in Germany and pressed by Pallas but curiously released in Korea in 2014 on the Universal label. It was track 2 that was played on The Prelude with Hana SL, not sure on the electronics and speakers.

Sounds good in my front room too (I have a Reflex C).

Probably even better with an Accession MC! Tongue    


Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2016 at 5:26pm
A bit like Trigger's broom, then . . . Wink

Will have to keep an eye out for reviews of the Prelude. Hopefully it will do well out in the big wide world.


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Bob

Majestic DAC/pre-amp
Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links



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