Intro
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Forum Name: Archetypal Genesis, Floyd and Yes Generation Stuff!
Forum Description: Hippie music from the 60's and 70's mainly to do with Rock
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Topic: Intro
Posted By: Graham Slee
Subject: Intro
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:21pm
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The Rock genre has numerous sub-genres that this section may look a bit biased toward one particular kind. Not wanting to upset anybody, I might just have to make this category a sub-category under the broader heading of Rock. Let me know how you'd like it and it will be actioned. What I call "Archetypal Genesis, Floyd and Yes Generation Stuff!" encompasses a greater latitude than its title may suggest. Mainly it was a post baby boomers generation thing, an overlap from such as The Stones which appealed mostly to the real baby boomers - or older rockers if they don't mind me calling them that. Pink Floyd had an earlier career with Syd Barrett which was largely psychedelic, of flower-power origin, but the band really rose to fame with Dark Side of the Moon, and without Barrett contained no flower power, and attracted the post baby boomer generation - those born 1955 onwards. In general, 70's youth were finding the "Post War Dream" was more like being trapped in a nightmare, and the dark forbodings of Dark Side was something they could associate with. Escapism on the other hand, was in good supply from rock bands Genesis and Yes. Genesis more so, or perhaps it was reality more subtly stated - or possibly with a hint of sarcasm - for example: Selling England by the Pound. Yes captured the feeling of the times with lyrics like "I get up, I get down" from the evocatively named Close to the Edge album - evocative perhaps of the knife-edge like survival of the generation who'd not gotten the "spoils". Anyway, that's my overview of "Archetypal Genesis, Floyd and Yes Generation Stuff!". There are other bands which fit the mood - I would count ELP as one, and from the USA we had Joe Walsh doing his own personal stuff before joining the MOTD/Rock band The Eagles. There are many others too, but I don't want to hog the conversation - so over to you... ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
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Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 10:52pm
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I got into Yes when a mate sold me a cassette of theirs and I enjoyed it that much I bought the other two that were also available(in the shops) Yes & Fragile( for some reason I never did get Time and a Word).Then of course along came Close to the Edge and what a great album that was(still is)Funnily enough the only one I bought after that was Going for the One. I never bought any of their other records.Genesis I never really listened to and therefore never bought any of their records oh yes I did I bought Tresspas and then a few years later sold it and I still don't know why ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: phildent
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 11:15pm
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This could go on forever. Must not forget Tubular Bells though how you categorise it I do not know. Roxy Music,10cc,The Moody Blues etc What memories. Most to me are still as evocative as they were new. A choice of Wearside or Tyneside for a night out and back for a blast of Floyd,Yes,Oldfield and must not forget the monumental Dance on a Volcano by focus. Oh happy days. Phil |
Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 11:41pm
Except that Focus never recorded a song titled Dance On A Volcano  |
phildent wrote:Posted By: phildent
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 1:14am
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Well spotted Chris,blame it on senility.Of course I meant Hocus Pocus. Phil 
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 3:34am
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IMO Roxy Music and 10CC is popular music. Mike Oldfield music is a bit folkey, and difficult to classify. Everybody has heard of Tubular Bells (with its Viv Stanshall "Intro and Outro" influenced and narrated instrumental listing). Maybe we need a genre with the title Quirky? The Moody Blues were perhaps a bit of everything album wise: according to "I'm Just A Singer (In a Rock'n'Roll Band)", they're Rock. To a degree they're the former flower-power psychedelic type band. Then again they have a classical music side and have been classed as Symphonic Rock, especially when you consider Days of Future Passed in collaboration with the London Festrival Orchestra. Mike Pindar's A Simple Game (1968) is definitely a Pop classic, it having been covered by The Four Tops making it a UK hit in 1971. One thing that perhaps binds them to this subset is their seemingly understanding of the often related LSD drug culture in Timothy Leary's Dead (Oh no, he's on the outside looking in). I would include Focus too. Not a favourite of mine, but quite popular with the "Archetypals". There are plenty of others I'd include in this genre of genres, but I don't want to hog the topic. I'll offer up one or three at a time giving my reasons why I think they should be here. ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 8:05am
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Genesis were the first band I 'got into' as a 16 year old after listening to my sister's 'And Then There Were Three' - so I was probably a bit late to the party... Trick of the Tail followed & then the rest, Selling England by the Pound being one of their very best IMO. There was also something 'beyond the music' with Genesis, a least for a dreamer like I was/am & Kim Poor's paintings (Hackett's wife) , which were inspired by Genesis' songs, are a good illustration of this. ------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC. |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 8:31am
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Trying to classify music is tricky if it's done on anything other than time periods IMO. "Classical" is easy - Ars Nova, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Modern, Contemporary. Jazz is a bit more complicated but splits into New Orleans/Dixie, Chicago, Swing, Bop, Be-bop, West Coast etc. But "modern popular" music genres get very fragmented. How about, for this forum - which is not, primarily, a music forum - having a "Popular" category with this 'Yes/Floyd/Genesis' area as a sub-forum, along with 'Rock' and 'Other'? A lot of what was "rock" when released is now MOTR stuff aired on Radio 2 . . .  ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Bi-wire
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 9:05am
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A few to add to the list, perhaps: 'Tull, Camel, King Crimson? All prog to a greater or lesser degree ... ------------- Peter Satisfied user of: Revelation M, PSU1-Enigma, Solo SRGII and lots of CuSat50 |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:23am
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I first discovered Genesis in 1972-3, listening to someones LP in the school common room - my first prog gig was on the Selling England by the Pound tour, I think either the Rainbow or the Marquee. Every time I hear Firth Of Fifth, Suppers Ready or the Knife reminds me of that night. It seems like only yesterday Before hearing Trespass I had never heard music that could be so powerful, almost frightening at one moment but beautiful and moving the next. Until then I had mainly listened to The Who, Zeppelin, The Doors, Deep Purple or the Stones. I felt the Gabriel/Hackett years were the best but after seeing just 3 of them at Knebworth in '78 I never attended another Genesis concert - different and often good music followed but mostly a bit too mainstream. For a time, Marillion was pretty good too It seems that prog music is mostly British influenced or European (ie King Crimson, Caravan, Camel, Tull, PFM, Eloy etc). There weren't too many American prog bands when it started out, excepting Styx, maybe Rush and there is also one interesting Automatic Man album. As for Yes, I prefer Fragile & the Yes Album over Close To The Edge ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: Bi-wire
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:53am
Yes (pun not intended), prog did seem to be a peculiarly British and, perhaps, northern-European type of music. I seem to remember some (half-)wit in the past being asked to explain what makes a prog rock band. His answer: three tons of equipment and a public school education .... ------------- Peter Satisfied user of: Revelation M, PSU1-Enigma, Solo SRGII and lots of CuSat50 |
Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:56am
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I was 12 when I first heard Genesis (a long time ago in the Spring of 1974), and it was "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)" on the radio that drew me in. For me it was a fantastic time to be around and discovering the more interesting bands (Pink Floyd, Yes, Jethro Tull, Focus), as well as all the ground breaking rock bands (Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath etc). I became aware of artists such as John Martyn, Steely Dan, and Frank Zappa. The thing that attracted me to all of the bands and artists named was one thing - their music came from a place of artistic creativity and endeavour, and they were not driven by the need to please their respective audiences. All the above named form a big part of my listening habits today  |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 11:28am
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Listening to prog in the 70’s did sometimes have a downside as well.... A girl I fancied told me that young men of this persuasion were emotionally challenged and this was a sign of sexual immaturity. Why she would not commit to a scruffy, long haired, pipe smoking (!) 20th century schizoid extolling the virtues of Giant Hogweed or Larks Tongues in Aspic, I have no idea ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 1:44pm
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mmm... 1st ever gig aged abt 14 (went with mates elder brother). Pink Floyd at the Rainbow with Soft Machine supporting. It was a benefit gig for Robert Wyatt & was also I believe the 1st proper outing of Dark Side... though in the programme notes it was Called "Eclipse" I think. Around the same time was ELP, Genesis & Wishbone Ash + others at the Oval cricket ground. Was hooked on Genesis from then on. Never cared for ELP much. There was also Hawkwind at the Rainbow too I think... Space Ritual tour. +Gong several times A Fave place was the Roundhouse in Chalk Farm every Sunday.. lost count of the number of bands I saw there. No one seemed to care I was underage either!. And now after spending my late teens & twenties denying all these bands, I've returned to them... first love syndrome I guess. Now all I have to do is recreate the record collection I lost 30 years ago  ------------- Dave Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables -> 
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Posted By: phildent
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 5:32pm
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Yes (pun not intended), prog did seem to be a peculiarly British and, perhaps, northern-European type of music. I seem to remember some (half-)wit in the past being asked to explain what makes a prog rock band. His answer: three tons of equipment and a public school education Love this,brilliant. Saw Gordon Giltrap at Newcastle city hall in the early seventies,their were six of us in the audience and I'll give the guy his due we got the full concert and it was brilliant.Bloody Newcastle snow. Also saw Genesis a couple of times and as members of the fan club we used to get invites to the after gig party at The Dolce Vita.They were nice approachable guys in those days particularly Mike Rutherford but boy could they drink. Zappa was also good after a night out but had to be careful if we had a lass in tow as some of his lyrics were a bit fruity. Phil |
Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 7:52pm
Being a big Oldfield fan (yes, I said it out loud) I agree that he's a difficult one to classify.....Quirky certainly encompasses a fair amount of what he's done where folk and rock (amongst others) fail to. ------------- Greg Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50 |
Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 9:09pm
Joes Garage by any chance to name but one------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: phildent
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 9:36pm
It was more a case of finding the least offensive. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:23pm
I really love the nissed Viv Stanshall track on the digital release of "Bells" - so funny. I also liked Ommadawn a lot - until I found it's misspelled Gaelic for "idiot"! ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:25pm
Nah, in South Yorkshire you wouldn't have had that problem ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:30pm
 Just out of interest would you class Zappa as Prog rock or just different ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:34pm
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I liked Frank Zappa if he wasn't getting carried away making whooping noises with "the Mothers of Invention", in which case I'd class him as somewhere between prog rock and psychedelic. ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2015 at 10:55pm
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"Don't Eat That Yellow Snow" ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 12:37am
I used to get "Record Collector" magazine some years ago before the interweb, and found it a good source of getting hold of the ones I'd missed out on. Thanks to Steve (Serverbaboon) for introducing me to Discogs which seems to be the interweb equivalent. I bought a vinyl copy of Selling England by the Pound (I have it on CD but I've always wanted the vinyl album) and I'm now awaiting its arrival. I didn't go for the remaster preferring to have a decent original - I'll let you know how I get on. ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 8:57am
| I was first introduced to Selling England by the Pound in a workmates flat down the Cowley Road in Oxford one Saturday in 1973, still the only Genesis record in my collection. First live concert was Colosseum at the time of the release of Valentyne Suite, I left with my ears ringing and they were ringing the following day too! Could have repeated the exercise in February this year as they did a few dates, all original members too excepting of course the late Dick Heckstall-Smith whose wife Barbara Thompson took his place in the band. |
Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 9:14am
As an artist he could not be pigeon holed. He did Rock. He did Jazz. He did Classical. Etc, etc etc ..... Mixed it all up frequently too. So in response to the question, just different |
Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 1:13pm
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This whole thread is making me feel very old (being born in 1948). My favourite Frank Zappa was 'Hot Rats' which we used to play when I was at art college, whilst working, back in the 60s. My other favourites were Santana, and of course the Rolling Stones. I had the advantage of being deafened and having my diaphragm vibrated by the likes of Deep Purple, Jethro Tull and many others of a similar ilk at Newcastle City Hall. However, being a singer of folk music myself I also went to see The Incredible String Band, Tom Paxton, Stefan Grossman, Steeleye span, Fairport Convention, Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee etc etc etc. Which aren't featured in this thread. ------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.' |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 5:55pm
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Where would the soundtrack to "Crocodile Dundee" fall into? The Didgeridoo instrument is intriguing, almost mesmerizing. Yanni has a Didgeridoo on his Tribute album, too. These 2 are a mix of classical and jazz. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 7:00pm
Would you think it a good idea to have a folk section? ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 7:09pm
I would yes Graham I think it is the only genre not covered,but what do other people think. ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 9:26pm
He he, I didn't know that ------------- Greg Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50 |
Posted By: marshmid
Date Posted: 01 May 2015 at 5:39pm
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I definitely support a 'folk' category. I have a large and very varied chunk of music under that category. (Notice the technical term 'chunk'). I have recently purchased a CD by an up-and-coming artist called Kim Edgar. (see kimedgar.com for a listen) and also a couple of tunes on youtube. Seems to be a great songwriter with an unusual voice. ------------- Marsh ------------------- Reflex M, Solo UDLE |
Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 01 May 2015 at 7:30pm
Why not! We might as well cover the whole range of music genre. One of my favourite singer songwriter's is Jez Lowe a singer from the north-east of England. My favourite album of his is 'Live at the Davey Lamp'. ------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.' |
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 06 May 2015 at 10:21pm
Thanks for the tip, never tried Discogs before - I've just ordered Computer World by Kraftwerk on vinyl. Likewise I don't want the digital remaster & I've been trying to get a good clean copy at a sensible price for months. Described as near mint this one - hopefully it will be. Only previous versions I've found, the grading has been rather, let's be generous & call it....optimistic ------------- Dave Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables ->
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 07 May 2015 at 3:17am
I wish you success - I'm still waiting to receive my copy of Selling England by the Pound! ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 4:13am
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We should have a folk music section. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 4:42am
On Amazon...Top Albums by Genesis http://www.amazon.com/Genesis/e/B000APYVE6/works/ref=ntt_mus_teaser? - (See all 185 albums)http://www.amazon.com/Genesis/e/B000APYVE6/ref=dp_byline_cont_music_1?tag=smarturl-20 Back in print in the US and featuring the 2008 mixes by Nick Davis and Genesis, including deluxe LP versions with half-speed mastering and audiophile 180g vinyl. Available now. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:58pm
After complaining to the Discogs seller I eventually got it today! Great big scratch through side one!!! Trade descriptions?  ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 7:07pm
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Is there not a decent second hand store in Barnsley Graham?Might be worth trying to find one at least you can inspect them before you leave the shop.I don't suppose there is any chance you can get your money back at least on the grounds that the goods are not fit for purpose I take it you wont be asking them to join the Record store forum ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 8:25pm
That's a shame . I've found the grading on used vinyl to be infuriating. I got my Kraftwerk album OK and it was blatantly not "near mint" but played just fine.. only one or two clicks. So I was relieved about that. Emboldened I ordered another album from a different vendor that was also "near mint" apparently. In their dreams. It was really rough looking and it sounded it. I get the same from my local store, but at least I can see for myself before I buy & tell the guy what I think about some of the junk he sells. Mint should be pristine - unplayed, even still sealed. Near mint should be close. Neither should have any scratches or other playback issues. I don't bother with anything graded lower than that - unless I can see it - sometimes you get lucky. I also buy from vinylnet.com. They seem generally not too bad. I would typically say they rate stuff maybe 1 grade too high. I've had 3 lemons that I've returned out of around 30 I've bought since xmas but at least they don't quibble if you send it back & will do their best to find another copy. postage gets costly though  Hope you can get your money back at least. ------------- Dave Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables ->
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Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 12:30am
Oh dear sorry. ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 11:09am
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Sort of drifting of topic now but like other online sites Discogs has a review/rating system you can check out and use. I must have been lucky the odd time I have used it. ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 10:47am
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I suppose my "new" vinyl copy of Selling England By The Pound matches many of the other records in my collection I'm sure Discogs have many more sellers that are more trustworthy. I'll just put this occasion down to experience - the vendor can keep the money! At least side 2 is much more quiet. Side 1 isn't too bad once the music gets going although visually it looks terrible. Now, if I'd got nothing but perfect records would I have worked so hard at making my phono preamps relegate the clicks and pops? ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 11:22am
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Update: side 2 played to the point in the penultimate track where it started skipping due to a scratch. Vendor "Superjet" refunded me in full without me having to send the record back - pretty decent! ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 2:49pm
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Supertramp - "Even in the Quietest Moments" ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 5:22pm
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Emerson, Lake, and Palmer album "Emerson, Lake, and Palmer" Another defining album, I have 2 copies. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 5:37pm
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Pink Floyd's album "Dark Side of the Moon" is a classic and I think is in a class of it's own. The music moves you, especially if you have speakers that can reproduce the deep bass, added to the rest of the hearing/feeling frequency spectrum. This album will test any sound system to the maximum... if you can hear the very quiet voices in the music, your system is reproducing all of the audio information.  Plus I love the deep bass.
------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 29 May 2015 at 7:56pm
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Just placed an order for "Amused to Death" 200g vinyl remastered from the original tapes by James Guthrie. Not out until July though, can't wait ------------- Dave Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables ->
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Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 29 May 2015 at 8:50pm
Dave please let us know how that one works out the general consensus on a lot of those 200g "super pressings" is that they are not worth the money and in some cases sound worse than an original pressing . ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: DaveG
Date Posted: 29 May 2015 at 10:27pm
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Yeah will have to see. Cheapest I've seen the original is something like £190 tho.. for a near mint - which it probably isn't ------------- Dave Michell Gorbe + HR PSU -> Cadenza Bronze -> SME V -> Elevator -> Accession -> Proprius -> B&W CM6 s2 | Cusat 50 & Spatia cables ->
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Posted By: LOINER
Date Posted: 29 May 2015 at 10:38pm
Just had a look £450 on Amazon  ------------- STUART SOLO ULTRA LINEAR DIAMOND EDITION LAUTUS DUAL MONO 1.5M INTERCONNECTS GRAM AMP 2SE |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2016 at 11:35am
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I've been enjoying my few Alan Parsons Project albums: Pyramid Eye in the Sky Turn of a Friendly Card I Robot ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2016 at 12:25pm
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Hi big APP fan here also, Tales of Mystery & Imgination (1970s mix) and Eye in the sky my pick. Not sure whether anyone can recall the IMF demo in Harrogate in the late 1970's with 'the fall of the house of Usher'? Amazing scale in a large room. Recall source being a Revox -A77 but cannot recall the amp possibly a big Luxman and TLS80 2's. |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2016 at 12:45pm
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Lot of love here for APP! Tales... is a classic. Also like Stereotomy, Amonia Avenue, Gaudi. Plus AP's non-project albums, especially The Time Machine. Freudiana is also excellent. I'm a great admirer of APP's orchestral guy Andrew Powell. Just got his score for Ladyhawke on LP off eBay - as yet unplayed; really hope it's in good nick. Medieval fantasy film with APP style instrumentals doesn't appear a good match, but not as strange as it might seem. Project fans should also listen to "Keats", the eponymous album by Stuart Bairnson and the "project" band. More "poppy" than APP, but produced by AP and a good listen. Keats never made another album . . . Edit: That should read Ian Bairnson . . Stuart Elliott is the bass player . .
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Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2016 at 2:05pm
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Thanks Bob. I have a number but not all of these may have to look further! Whilst. I had the remastered tales on vinyl I bought a great condition original of eBay last year much better in my opinion. Interestingly I have three on CD and these didn't appear to transfer formats well - CDs dont retain the composure or dynamics of the vinyl when on the louder passages tales, I robot and eye in the sky. Will have to start digging on the others you mention. Sad to hear Eric Woolfson died a few years ago. Richard |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2016 at 4:30pm
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I've a couple of Project albums on Classic Records double-sided "CD" - one side @96kHz for DVD players, the other @192Hz for DVD-A players. I had a Pioneer universal player at the time, then an Oppo, now a Cambridge Audio Blu-Ray player - but I rarely play them, preferring the vinyl. I've also AP's "On Air" on a 5-channel DTS disc: the aircraft sound at the beginning is nicely effective in surround. Again, this rarely gets played . . - now I've got it on vinyl The Project albums were remastered on CD a while ago with demo tracks, and other "rarities" on them. Oh - I forgot to mention "Eve". This sounds good on the Music on Vinyl issue of a couple of years ago. ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: bass man
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2016 at 4:39pm
| what about wishbone ash |
Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2016 at 8:57am
Don't have any WA in my music collection but remember seeing them play at Oxford Town Hall in the early seventies. Was at Arlington Arts last night (to see Cara Dillon) and noticed that Martin Turner is playing there tonight.
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Posted By: bass man
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2016 at 2:59pm
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very good band very underated I played a support gig for them,well martin turner ha it was about ten years ago in Mansfield they played all the classics the argus album gets a spin every other week |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2016 at 9:12pm
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While reading the credits on my Pink Floyd "Dark Side Of The Moon", I find that Alan Parsons was the engineer (with assistant Peter James) when recorded at Abbey Road Studios, London, between June 1972 and January 1973. I note, as others have I'm sure, that many artists in the music industry are intertwined with many others and in many other capacities. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: bass man
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 2:39pm
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i was listening to this Saturday night with a few whiskeys its a great album and I always hear something else everytime I play it the origional 1st pressings with the solid blue triangle are bringing some good money now ------------- paul am from Yorkshire tha nuz |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 11:52pm
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Blue Oyster Cult - (Don't Fear) The Reaper
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2016 at 3:44am
Yes, thank goodness for Ken Bruce, and Jeremy Vine, but they don't go as far as playing some of the favourites I've mentioned in this topic - still a step too far for the BBC. I remember Jeremy Vine decided to play the Who's "Who Are You" on his lunchtime show. He didn't play the official BBC version. Instead he played the commercially released version he'd brought in from home (his words). There is a difference... the commercially released version features "the four letter word" twice! Obviously this being several hours before the nine o'clock watershed, I expected some kind of apologetic comment, but there was none. Must I have been the only one listening?! Since then the radio set in the workshop has been banned. The PRS sent me an invoice for receiving broadcast music in the workplace. It is perfectly OK me playing records in the workshop for R&D purposes and even to customers who pop in, without needing a performing rights license, but listening to my radio isn't allowed! They said it was OK to listen to exactly the same broadcasts via the internet though. But for me that isn't the same. Funny country ------------- That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Stewboss
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2016 at 2:24pm
Bob Harris is probably the only 'real' DJ left in the country unfortunately. Pity they relegated his show to the 3am graveyard slot but that's the way the corporation has been heading for a long time now... ------------- Equipment choices: Playstation 3 SACD, Bitzie DAC, Meridian Explorer DAC, Lautus USB cable, HD250-II, HD650 |
Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2016 at 2:44pm
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IMO the most eclectic choice of music on Radio 2 is to be found on the Desmond Carrington and Liza Tarbuck shows. Although neither could be described as DJs, the former at 90 must certainly rate as the world's oldest radio presenter; this Friday's edition will be his last. I remember when he was in Emergency Ward 10!
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Posted By: RichieCactus
Date Posted: 21 May 2017 at 11:49pm
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Ahhh "Prog" Strangely I stopped listening to Genesis years ago when I started to buy CD's and stopped buying vinyl. Then last year, when I resurrected my Thorens, Selling England was one of the first LP's to be played. WOW I'd forgotten just how brilliant this album is, especially via vinyl. Since then I've got back into (early) Genesis, but also Yes, King Crimson, and the brilliant Moody Blues (early albums). Luckily I have all the Genesis on original vinyl (heard bad reports on the remasters), but struggling to get the Moody Blues on vinyl (only have on CD). Can hugely recommend seeing The Musical Box tribute band. Incredible. They got a standing ovation at the Hammy Odeon (or whatever its called now) back in October last year, and deservedly so. Looking forwards to seeing them again this year. They're doing the "black version" of Selling England, apparently. Anyway, Prog Rules !!  rgds RC ps: +1 for a Folk thread. ------------- Rega RP8/Cartridgeman MM3/Thorens TD166/AudioMods VI/Accession/Croft RIAA/Arcam A85/Quad 21L |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2017 at 2:00am
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Listening to King Crimson's album "In The Court of The Crimson King". Playing through the Accession... it sounds great! ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: Mr Pig
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 6:08pm
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Hello, first post. I joined to borrow a phono stage, hopefully. I love all kinds of music but Genesis were my favorite band and still love the music nearly forty years later. Trick of the tail, they knocked it out of the park with that album but love all their earlier stuff too. Seen a couple of tributes and agree, The Musical box are truly amazing.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 11:58pm
Welcome. Love the Gabriel-era of Genesis when I'm in the mood. I like some of Gabriel's solo work a lot also, and his soundtrack for the Last Temptation of Christ is a big favorite of mine. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 2:38pm
Bruce, Was just perusing this thread and happened to see your old post. Love this album; wondering if there is a specific pressing you like? I currently only own it on CD and would like to pick up a good vinyl pressing. I recently saw a new sealed MOFI half speed master at a vinyl show, but the price was off the charts. Thanks
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 6:45pm
I'm not Bruce but thought I'd chime in...that MOFI pressing looks like it is from the early 80s...if it's still sealed now that would be quite unusual but entirely possible. Would also explain the high price. Every used copy of the LP I've seen had scratches and/or groove damage. There are some quiet parts on the record and you ideally need a pristine copy. I've seen people on social media talk up old Euro and Japan pressings but I've never heard those or the MOFI. For now I stick with the CD. Here is a Discogs link for the most recent LP edition...no idea if it is good or not but should be more sanely priced than a sealed OOP LP from 35+ years ago. https://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-In-The-Court-Of-The-Crimson-King/release/13951666 - https://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-In-The-Court-Of-The-Crimson-King/release/13951666 ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:33pm
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https://burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/king-crimson-vinyl/kc_itcotck_vinyl - https://burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/king-crimson-vinyl/kc_itcotck_vinyl ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 12:36am
Thanks patientot. That MOFI pressing is in fact from the early 80s. They seem to command extremely high prices even when opened & played if in Near Mint condition. As many have commented, there were problems even with the original pressings. I have read that, while not perfect, the 200 gram 2010 reissue (I think that is the one referenced in your link) is supposed to be very good and corrected many of the original issues. It is also reasonably priced with new and NM copies readily available. I will likely give that one a try as I agree, a pristine copy is in order. Plus, I am having too much fun playing with vinyl using Graham Slee equipment! |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 1:23am
I doubt Fripp would put his name on anything that sounds deliberately bad, especially since his label is involved in the reissue. Sometimes the best compromise is to find a decent reissue, especially where the early pressings have issues or command too much money and the audiophile editions are OOP and prohibitively expensive also. Case in point: I'm listening to a 70s repress of a hard bop-era jazz record that commands an insane amount of money in the earliest edition. This copy was quite affordable when I got it and sounds excellent...even uses the same metalwork as earlier editions. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 10:19pm
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Sometimes I feel... 'Thick As A Brick' by Jethro Tull------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:04am
Speaking of Thick As A Brick, I have been looking for a NM copy of the MoFi half speed master from 1985, yet another LP that commands very high prices. Love this album, so eventually I may break down and buy it...
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Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:06am
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Meant to post the link for that pressing: https://www.discogs.com/Jethro-Tull-Thick-As-A-Brick/release/3649120 - https://www.discogs.com/Jethro-Tull-Thick-As-A-Brick/release/3649120 |
Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 3:15am
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Thanks to those who’ve recommended Porcupine Tree! My new personal discovery and it’s really absorbing. Can people recommend their favorite albums and which tracks are considered “classic as”? Cheers, Mick. ------------- Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2 |
Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 3:29am
Deadwing is probably their best album with the standout track bring "Arriving Somewhere". Played it for a friend the other night...he had never heard them and couldn't believe how good it was. Lazarus is also a great track, but they are pretty much all good. That is the only Porcupine Tree album I own at the moment. There is another that rates almost as high but can't think of the name. I will check...
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Posted By: lwdykes
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 3:41am
| In Absentia was the other Porcupine Tree album I was trying to remember. Check out the tracks "Blackest Eye", "Strip the Soul" & "Sound of Muzak". |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 8:58pm
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I have a few Porcupine Tree albums and like them all. Picking out individual tracks is hard though, because I tend to thick of them as one big piece. I think the last one I bought was Lightbulb Sun, that one is really good but not as heavy or trippy as some of their releases. If you like long tracks check out the deluxe edition of The Sky Moves Sideways. SW has done some great solo work as well. Check out the Raven that Refused to Sing if you haven't already. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 9:44pm
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Deadwing - title track - is breathtaking. The 2nd guitar solo is Adrian Belew and it's hatstands crazy. The whole album is superb. Lightbulb Sun - Four Chords That Made A Million is my favourite. Again, the whole album is superb. Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson albums are played frequently around here.
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Posted By: RichW
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 8:54am
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Must re-investigate Porcupine Tree - thanks for the recs. I own Fear of a Blank Planet - bought because of Rush's Alex Lifeson's guest playing. One of those albums that perhaps needs several listens to get under your skin, which incidentally applied to much of Rush's music. The first listen would get you nowhere. ------------- Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC. |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2020 at 2:36pm
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King Crimson... lyric quote, "Music is the Wine that fills the Cup." Was stated at the end of this TV episode,
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2020 at 9:16pm
https://www.dgmlive.com/news/winesilence-cups-music - https://www.dgmlive.com/news/winesilence-cups-music I don't think it's on an actual song. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2020 at 6:57pm
Thank you David. From that link... "In the wake of birthday salutations, http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/olaf-fub/reporters-notebook-20160515 - Reporters Notebook rolled out one of Robert Fripp's most quoted misquotes, namely “Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence.” Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence. Sound is that cup, but empty. Noise is that cup, but broken. The aphorism dates from the spring of 1980 when Fripp was playing in Paris with The League Of Gentlemen. The origin of the phrase's popularity, albeit in a corrupted form, seems to stem from its misuse in a 2005 episode of the very popular ITV detective series, Rosemary And Thyme entitled, The Cup Of Silence. During the murder mystery show, writer Stephen Gallagher has one of the characters raise a glass and offer the toast, "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence", even having the character attribute the phrase to Robert Fripp. " The actual quote makes more sense... Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence. Sound is that cup, but empty. Noise is that cup, but broken. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 9:40pm
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The Yes Album is the third studio album by English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock - progressive rock band https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_%28band%29 - Yes , released on 19 February 1971 by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Records - Atlantic Records . It was the band's first album to feature guitarist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Howe_%28musician%29 - Steve Howe ...  ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2021 at 2:25pm
A statement of the times... then and now. Monsterhttps://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=mac_bm&q=Steppenwolf&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLUz9U3MDTLKM9exModXJJaUJCaV56fkwYA-Wf8JRsAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7v92PuNruAhWCcc0KHanmAHoQMTAAegQIARAD&biw=1444&bih=779 - - - Steppenwolf Once the religious, the hunted and weary Like good Christians some would burn the witches But still from near and far to seek America And once the ties with the crown had been broken While we bullied, stole and bought a homeland But still from near and far to seek America The Blue and Grey they stomped it And though the past has its share of injustice The spirit was freedom and justice Yeah, there's a monster on the loose The cities have turned into jungles 'Cause there's a monster on the loose America, where are you now America, where are you now America...America...America...America... ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2021 at 2:44pm
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A footnote: Steppenwolf = a wolf of the Steppes The steppe wolf (Canis lupus campestris), also known as the Caspian Sea wolf, is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_lupus_subspecies - subspecies of grey wolf native to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea - Caspian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppe - steppes , the steppe regions of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus - Caucasus , the lower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_region - Volga region , southern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan north to the middle of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emba_River - Emba , and the steppe regions of the lower European part of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Soviet_Union - former Soviet Union . It may also occur in northern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan - Afghanistan and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran - Iran and occasionally the steppe regions of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania - Romania and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary - Hungary . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppe_wolf#cite_note-soviet-1 - [1] The German name is Steppenwolf, whence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_%28novel%29 - the novel (1927) by the German author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hesse - Hermann Hesse got its name. ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: brubacca
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 8:59pm
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Rush, Yes, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Van halen... These are the bands that got me through High School. (Old Stones, didn't take to the 80s stuff). Biggest regret not seeing Rush's final tour, and not seeing Van Halen and Genesis in the 80s.
Still have my original Van Halen 1984 LP, with the cherub smoking the pack of cigarettes! |