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Topic: Musical (In)sanity
Posted By: mitch65
Subject: Musical (In)sanity
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 2:25pm
I've been missing from the forum for some time now and, if I'm being honest, it was probably this forum that helped me into self-imposed music and hi-fi exile.
I realised some time ago that my addiction to all things 'hi-fi' was not doing me a whole lot of good, I am one of lifes tweakers and not just those little things to make your turntable sound better (or not!) but substantial system changing and never quite being satisfied. I am the first to admit that I am quite happy to buy things on a whim and hope for the best that it will gel with the rest of my system but obviously this 'trial and error' mentality is not good for your wallet. I am lucky that my wife is understanding but even she has her limits.
One of my biggest problems was vinyl, I have had more turntables than some people have had hot dinners and as much as I love vinyl I came to the conclusion that it was high maintenance, high cost and the quality could be very hit and miss. As much as I enjoyed the 'idea' of vinyl, I was investing more than I was getting back so I made the decision to sell my vinyl, turntable, amps, speakers, in fact the whole lot. My wife looked on in horror as over 300 albums went on ebay suggesting that I might regret this decision, well 6 months on I can safely say that I do not.
Effectively I had hit the reset button, now I was back to factory settings I was going to take a break and make a less subjective decision about what I wanted from my music...maybe.
About a month ago I decided that the only medium that was going to work for me was digital streaming, I've had a few streamers in the past and looking back I realise that I listened to music them more through them than I ever did with vinyl. On top of this my wife and daughters are Spotify fans so they were already in the digital world and for me it was as much about not spending for the next best thing and having a system we could all use rather than 'that's dads'.
I gave myself a budget of £850.00 and bought a Mac Mini running Audirvana software, a Meridian Explorer DAC running into my longstanding AKG K551s.
For the amplifier I bought a second-hand NAD 320BEE of ebay for £100 and a pair of new Boston Acoustics A26 speakers for half-price.
I've had been running this setup for a few weeks and 'everyone' is happy. I do have plans for a DAC change in the future but I now feel under no pressure to get it because I have to.
My initial plan was to buy the Bitzie but my budget would not stretch to that and the Mac so I made a logical choice to 'save up' for a Bitzie or even a Majestic so when I do actually have the funds I will then entertain the idea of purchase secure in the knowledge that I can loan one and be happy in my choice before I buy (surely the whole point of the loaner programme?). I feel I have now broken the vicious circle I found myself in and enjoy music again.
Apologies if I've broken any house rules by mentioning a particular product(s) but since my first choice was evident I thought I might just get away with it Big smile
As to why this forum helped put me into self-imposed exile? Well, for one thing, I was sure of since the day I joined was that I was dealing with people with no axes to grind, talking about something they have a passion for and it became obvious to me that I could go away for a 'bit' and I would be welcomed back. This can be the opposite with some other forums where if you don't make a comment at least once a day then the friendliness is gone (if it was ever really there in the first place).
Anyway, enough of my rambling..........



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Greg

Rega Planer 3
Gram Amp 2
Audiolab 8000A
Auralic Aries Mini
Russell K 50



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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 3:23pm
To be honest, I think you made the right choice Greg. The expense, weight/space and high maintenance of vinyl can quite easily make a person unwell. This is partly the reason that I will not pursue vinyl; I don't need any distractions. You may have noticed that I too have been selling away half of my equipment on here and ebay. No point in keeping duplicates, no point in hoarding, no point in obsessing to the verge of poor health. Never get too attached to equipment, for it is only there for the purpose of musical enjoyment.

Oh, and yeah, it is good to have you back healthier than before. Thumbs Up


The moral of the story is that the appreciation of music cannot be bought.


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We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 4:56pm
The never ending quest in the search for the holy grail of hi-fi...

It sometimes can reach the point where you can't see the wood for the trees and if you make the mistake of reading some of the hi-fi magazines the marketeers there will have you believe you simply can't do without the latest gizmo with its 5 star rating. 

I purchased a Squeezebox Touch a couple of years ago with a view to starting a steaming system and then 12 months ago got Inspire to upgrade my 26 year old turntable. A change from MM to MC with a couple of phono stage upgrades in between means I'm now enjoying vinyl once again and the Touch is still in its box unused. I've bought a load of second hand vinyl from another forum member and will be collecting a further supply in a week's time along with some of his old electronics to integrate into my same brand system. Yes, vinyl is high maintenance but I'm appreciating the benefits at the moment and considering the addition of an Elevator EXP.

On the other hand I spent 3 hours listening to some of the same music that I'd just bought but streamed through his new Majestic + Propius set up and was most impressed! 

It's that continuing quest...   


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 6:43pm
It's good to have you back Greg and thanks for sharing that with us.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: marshmid
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:21pm
Greg,
Thanks from me as well for sharing your story with us. I plan to follow your example but first I want to digitise all my LP's. However, as there are over 300 of them, discipline will be required.

I also have a few thousand transparencies I want to digitise. I purchased two slide scanners on ebay a couple of years ago and so far I have scanned less than 50.

As I am your senior by 20 years, I think you have got things sorted and I am probably a hopeless case ...but it will keep me happy proving everyone, including myself, wrong.

By the way, I hope you are following the Raspberry Pi streaming thread. There is cool stuff going on there and it's cheap!

Enjoy many years of music.

Marsh


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by marshmid marshmid wrote:


I also have a few thousand transparencies I want to digitise.

Me too. I've probably scanned 1000 of mine, but have another couple of thousand to go and then there are several thousand of my fathers. It's all very tedious, but needs doing.
As for vinyl, I'm buying more now than I did in my younger days and enjoying doing so.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:39pm
Jeez you two, I would be pulling my hair out by now! LOLLOL


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Greg

Rega Planer 3
Gram Amp 2
Audiolab 8000A
Auralic Aries Mini
Russell K 50


Posted By: Oakrack
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:39pm
I also went through the same, never quite feeling that i could get my turntable driven system right. So i went through a complete change,sold amps,turntables,oh ok i got rid of everything. Deep breath and started again from ground up with a cd based system. Yep i could definatly here all the gasps of horror from everyone, but here is the thing, iam now really enjoying my love of music again with a strange mix of gear all my music pals are taken with what is a very analogue sound , took me a while but i went forward with a sonic signiture from my years of vinyl and valves.


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by mitch65 mitch65 wrote:

Jeez you two, I would be pulling my hair out by now! LOLLOL

Can't do that! It's too precious; not enough of it left.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by ICL1P ICL1P wrote:

Originally posted by marshmid marshmid wrote:


I also have a few thousand transparencies I want to digitise.

Me too. I've probably scanned 1000 of mine, but have another couple of thousand to go and then there are several thousand of my fathers. It's all very tedious, but needs doing.
As for vinyl, I'm buying more now than I did in my younger days and enjoying doing so.

I've certainly bought more vinyl this year than cds. Still on a digital note but straying way from music I've got about 2000 35mm transparancies some of which have been scanned into jpeg files but I sent them away to be done professionally.  Many have since found their way into a publication which is why quality was important but it's also expensive.  I'm just about to start on some of the others plus 35mm black and white negatives and would welcome your experience on the effectiveness of scanners, there seems to be many available online but...     


Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by ICL1P ICL1P wrote:

Originally posted by mitch65 mitch65 wrote:

Jeez you two, I would be pulling my hair out by now! LOLLOL

Can't do that! It's too precious; not enough of it left.


At first, I thought you were referring to the vinyl... LOL


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We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.


Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by McHolmeM McHolmeM wrote:

I'm just about to start on some of the others plus 35mm black and white negatives and would welcome your experience on the effectiveness of scanners, there seems to be many available online but...     

I'm on my third flatbed scanner with slide/negative thingies. My current scanner is an Epson 1650P (the P stands for photo, which differentiates it from the one without the P which doesn't have the thingies).

I scan into Photoshop Elements at high resolution and make any changes (e.g. Clone stamp to get rid of dust and fibres) before saving as a JPEG. I save in much higher resolution than is strictly necessary, my thinking being that if anyone at a later date wants to crop an image it will still be good.

This link < http://iforphillips.smugmug.com/Military/IGLlP-Wartime-Photos > is to some of my fathers WW2 photos from India and Burma that I scanned last year. The B&W negatives are not all good. There's so much more to do. It's rather daunting.

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Ifor
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Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.


Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 6:08am
Originally posted by Oakrack Oakrack wrote:

I also went through the same, never quite feeling that i could get my turntable driven system right. So i went through a complete change,sold amps,turntables,oh ok i got rid of everything. Deep breath and started again from ground up with a cd based system. Yep i could definatly here all the gasps of horror from everyone, but here is the thing, iam now really enjoying my love of music again with a strange mix of gear all my music pals are taken with what is a very analogue sound , took me a while but i went forward with a sonic signiture from my years of vinyl and valves.

It's surprising how you can get bogged down with hardware issues when you kinda forget the reason the hardware is there.....to play music. I do still have a Rotel CD player which I'll probably press back into service because it is an 'oldie but goodie'. Digital, for me, has come of age in recent years and that glare and sterile sound that was (fairly) aimed at it has been all but eliminated with the advent of the external DAC. Using the Bitzie on the loaner programme last year and my present DAC confirmed this for me and I am very much looking forward to listening to the Majestic just because I find it interesting to hear how far digital has come in the last 30 years or so.


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Greg

Rega Planer 3
Gram Amp 2
Audiolab 8000A
Auralic Aries Mini
Russell K 50


Posted By: McHolmeM
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 8:50am
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I do still have a Rotel CD player which I'll probably press back into service because it is an 'oldie but goodie'. 
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The Rotel RCD-965BX was a landmark player and showed the potential of digital replay at an 'affordable' price point, even better with the Discrete upgrade. Until that time I'd wondered what the fuss was all about. I've still got mine which is pressed back into service on the odd occasion when the main player is out of action.


Posted By: Aussie Mick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 9:20am
I tried to do the same last year. Digitising records (or just duplicating my records via CD or iTunes) and trying to minimise gear. For a while it really worked well, allowing me to use my MacBook Pro or iPod as a source, fed into a combination DAC-amp. The simplicity certainly had me listening to more music and the kids enjoyed having their own playlists they could access (7 and 4 years old). However, after a while I realised that I'd stopped sitting down to listen and instead had an almost constant stream of background music in the house. And when I DID sit down for some special time I invariably felt just a bit let down at the sterile nature of it all. What I craved was equipment that would immerse me in music again.
So, I started looking for bargains that were also musically involving and I stopped looking for hi-fi. So I suppose, in the end, that the abandonment of multiple boxes for a single box solution was the kick I needed to realise that simplicity and value is possible. Then I came full circle back to vinyl, CD, radio, separate amps, etc. it's just the the "value" part was more important than ever.
I've ended up with a system that sucks me in and gets me through a whole album, leaving me SATISFIED. It sounds better and was cheaper than anything else I've owned (save the one box). The one box solution sits under the telly for the use of kids and family movies. Everyone happy.
Mick.

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Rega RP8 - Apheta 2 - Accession MC Enigma PS -Solo ULDE (Focal Utopia) - PS Audio M700 - Fical Kanta No2


Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 9:36am
Originally posted by Aussie Mick Aussie Mick wrote:


I've ended up with a system that sucks me in and gets me through a whole album, leaving me SATISFIED. It sounds better and was cheaper than anything else I've owned (save the one box). The one box solution sits under the telly for the use of kids and family movies. Everyone happy.
Mick.

About sums it up....... Smile


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Greg

Rega Planer 3
Gram Amp 2
Audiolab 8000A
Auralic Aries Mini
Russell K 50



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