Majestic DAC impressions
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Topic: Majestic DAC impressions
Posted By: morris_minor
Subject: Majestic DAC impressions
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 9:00pm
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Now that the Majestic DAC has started to ship out to users I thought it would be an idea to start a new thread for impressions - or indeed reviews, rather than have them buried at the end of a very long " http://audio-forum.gspaudio.co.uk/big-dac_topic1729_page1.html - BigDAC " thread.
My Majestic DAC arrived today - thank you Graham! - and is a very substantial piece of kit, not quite twice the width of a Solo or Reflex. Those following the other thread may have noticed that my MajDAC has been slightly modified from the pre-production run at my request, and this first post is just going to deal with this to get it out of the way.
The DAC's replacing a pre-amp and another DAC in my study system, feeding a pair of Harbeth active speakers. The analogue input has a Reflex/Elevator combo gong into it, and there will be a digital coax input from a Cambridge Audio NP30 streamer, and an optical input from my Mac Mini. (I'll test out the USB input too, at some point.)
A good proportion of my listening is on headphones, and a Solo ULDE plugs into the RCA phono outs. Here's where I had an issue. As standard, both the unbalanced RCA outs and the balanced jack outs are controlled by the level control. To listen on headphones I'd have had to cut the power to the speakers - something I preferred not to do. Therefore my question to Graham was - is it possible to have a fixed line out for the RCAs, with the output level control just affecting the balanced outs. Before the day was out Graham had got back to me and said 'yes' - would I like to audition the result?
So here I am with a modified Majestic before it's even gone into full production!
The issue was - does the modification have any affect on the sound? To test this I've used some phono splitters at the back of my Reflex. These have zero effect on the sound (to my ears), and I use them to take a signal to my ADC for vinyl ripping, normally. With two feeds coming off the Reflex, one went direct to one input on the Solo, the other to the DAC's analogue input, with the now-fixed RCA outs going to the second input on the Solo. So it was now a simple matter to use the Solo's input switch to put the DAC into and out of the circuit.
With a memory a bit like a sieve, I'd soon forgotten which went where as I switched the DAC in an out, not helped by the sound which was identical in every respect. The Majestic DAC's analogue circuit was as transparent as an open window. No difference in levels, dynamics, or timbre. Just like with all the best kit, any 'testing" was soon replaced by enjoyment of the music. In this case a Quincy Jones big band "Birth of A Band" on 180gm Verve disc. I remember many moons ago that this was the first record I played through my first GSP purchase, an Era Gold V. Then, the toe-tapping "verve" of the whole thing put a grin on my face for days, and it's not less now.
What surprised me (which shouldn't, really) was the improvement with my other pre-amp out of the equation (from a brand recently mentioned in these parts which threatened to copy GSP kit). I'd never actually taken a signal direct from Reflex to Solo before, and it was a noticeable improvement - clearer, more detailed: you could hear individual instruments in the quiet sax riffs as the harmony shifts under a trumpet solo for instance where before it was more unfocussed. But this improvement was equally present with the DAC in play, so my conclusion - and this with zero burn in - is that as a pre-amp the Majestic does what any self-respecting piece of audio electronics should do: have no audible effect on the quality of sound, be totally transparent.
So I'm really looking forward to putting the digital section of the Majestic through it's paces, and will report back in due course after some burn in and extended listening . . .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 9:16pm
morris_minor wrote:
as transparent as an open window |
All of the Graham Slee products that I have bought are like this. At last... a man who can design amplifiers properly. The "Mighty Atom" of audio?? Damn straight! 
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 9:26pm
Thanks for this Bob and I agree with Ash.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 8:17pm
I have been away overseas for the past week and am just catching up with the forum - Bobs' switchable outputs sound interesting and this could be a useful option. If given the choice, I too would use this 'variant' but for different reasons
I have told Graham & John that although I pre-ordered shortly after hearing the Majestic a couple of months ago, I am happy to wait until full production commences and other pre-order customers have been satisfied. Maybe I could then have the same output switching as Bob?
------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 10:34pm
Yes the prototype sounded great and I am certain the production model will be even better. I have a similar set up to Bob's trial unit on my DIY passive preamp. Switched: up = main out via volume centre = mute down = headphone out bypassing volume.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 10:37pm
Andrew, just to be clear the only mod to the Majestic was to make the phono out fixed level. The switching I did was on the Solo when evaluating the sound with the DAC in or out of the system.
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 10:05am
morris_minor wrote:
Andrew, just to be clear the only mod to the Majestic was to make the phono out fixed level. The switching I did was on the Solo when evaluating the sound with the DAC in or out of the system. |
Thanks Bob, yes I could use the same - having the balanced out with variable gain is what I want. This will allow me to reduce the level of all my digital sources when passing out from the Majestic via a balanced Lautus. A fixed output phono will also allow me to switch out the main system, using the phono output to drive something else
------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 10:13am
Drewan77 wrote:
morris_minor wrote:
Andrew, just to be clear the only mod to the Majestic was to make the phono out fixed level. The switching I did was on the Solo when evaluating the sound with the DAC in or out of the system. |
Thanks Bob, yes I could use the same - having the balanced out with variable gain is what I want. This will allow me to reduce the level of all my digital sources when passing out from the Majestic via a balanced Lautus. A fixed output phono will also allow me to switch out the main system, using the phono output to drive something else
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This is beginning to sound like a popular option, ideally would suit me too. But then is it just about convenience for a few. How many users will be powering a main amp via level controlled output and a headphone amp such as the Solo from fixed output? This product development process isn't so easy it appears.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: Bradders
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 11:31am
How much will this unit be?
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 6:52pm
Originally this product was going to be below £500, but much has changed. In fact 'much' is an under statement - everything apart from the original chip-set has changed!
With pre-production units built and three gone out already for assessment, it is still in its design state so as to best please its owners, and is therfore a truly bespoke product...
The last part of design being what seems to be by popular demand - fixed unbalanced outputs.
Possibly by luck these are possible and it seems to make sense to me too. In using the unbalanced outs to drive a headphone amp, I too find it a chore because the Proprius power amps from the balanced outs have to be turned down...
Consider others using those outputs to drive powered monitors or a different power amp? They'd have to disconnect them.
So it seems a sensible design change. However, what about those who have a power amp with RCA inputs? It's easy for me to wire a 'TRS' jack plug to a phono plug - it's also easy for us to make suitable interconnects, but there will be fans of the boutique cables who will have none of it.
I think we've reached the outer limits of this design. I'd rather have fixed RCA outs too, and although it's not a really neat modification as it requires hard wiring and the removal of 4 components, I feel it better to offer something that will fulfill the wants of the customer fully - or as near as one can get.
The Majestic DAC has become a preamp for the digital age whilst providing the ability for its users to play records too.
As such, it is a multipurpose high fidelity tool, and nothing like the original idea. It is almost bespoke because through talking with prospective purchasers it has 'evolved' to meet the requirements of the many.
Some say it is designed by committee, but to do that would require a committee of electronic engineers - you are customers - all I have done is to answer your wants.
Obviously now, with all this additional engineering, and high performance engineering at that, it costs considerably more to make. And when I say make I mean hand craft which takes time.
It is also a limited edition. Why should that be? Well, thanks to a manufacturer ending production of a particular part the Majestic performance hinges on (just at the point we reached its satisfactory sound), there will come a point where it will end. OK, we procured nearly all remaining stock on the planet so if it were to break it won't be the end of it.
Bearing in mind all the additional costs I had guesstimated £1400 (and that is what all pre-orders will cost), but the actual calculations came out a little higher - so to make it viable for us to make and spend the time on in testing all its functions (around 10 tests per unit) I wouldn't think £1600 is out of order?
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 7:04pm
Well that'll be £1600 for one of the best performing DACs on the market... and in the mega-buck hi-fi world, that's just a proverbial crust, eh Graham... In terms of value for money, functionality and attention to detail, I'd love to see another manufacturer do better... 
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 8:20pm
£1600 is an incredibly reasonable price for a component of this quality. I'm replacing a DAC and a pre-amp which together cost around £1150 and the Majestic has performance that's in a different league as well as much more flexibility with digital inputs. One analogue input for vinyl is all I need. This has to be considered a bargain price for a hand made, bespoke British electronic component. Another manufacturer with more of an eye on the bottom line then their customers could easily charge double - and it would still be worth it IMO.
As far as the balanced output goes, I'm using a couple of jack to phono adapters for with great success until such time as a Lautus jack > XLR becomes available.
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 8:22pm
Graham Slee wrote:
It is also a limited edition. Why should that be? Well, thanks to a manufacturer ending production of a particular part the Majestic performance hinges on (just at the point we reached its satisfactory sound), there will come a point where it will end. OK, we procured nearly all remaining stock on the planet so if it were to break it won't be the end of it.
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Graham,
the question comes to mind; "How many units do you have the limited parts for?"
This is a very special product, indeed. 
Bruce
------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way!
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 9:16pm
BAK wrote:
Graham,
the question comes to mind; "How many units do you have the limited parts for?" |
Unless we can source more, around 200.
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 10:05pm
Does this you'll be starting on a new version soon?
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 10:43pm
No Ifor, it means that we'll try very hard to scour the planet for more of these things (well, a certain supplier will), and then once used up it will be the end of the Majestic as we know it. In the meantime a better part may come along, and pigs may grow wings... 
I suppose stranger things have happened... we simply don't have a crystal ball.
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2014 at 11:23pm
All this for just 200? Special!!!
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 8:32am
ICL1P wrote:
All this for just 200? |
That's the state of this world. You put say 12 months of your life into something, and because 'we' gave everything to a devious, clever and now very powerful 'political game player', they can change things just like that!
I don't launch into a vitriolic diatribe about things like this anymore because it simply wastes my time and doesn't change a single thing, so why bother? I just take it on the chin and move onto the next job.
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Posted By: Bradders
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 8:39am
I've had similar problems with suppliers some parts have gone from next day to 10 weeks!! No one wants to keep stock of anything,the phrase 'stockist' is one of the most misused terms in the electronics industry!!
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 9:05am
ICL1P wrote:
All this for just 200? Special!!! |
Very! Just hope I can find the extra funds, would be a shame to miss out..........what's a kidney worth these days?? 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 9:13am
mitch65 wrote:
ICL1P wrote:
All this for just 200? Special!!! |
Very! Just hope I can find the extra funds, would be a shame to miss out..........what's a kidney worth these days?? 
| Yes, it might be difficult, without time on our side, to win over SWMBO. It would be the most I have ever spent on an item of Hi Fi.
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 10:16am
ICL1P wrote:
mitch65 wrote:
ICL1P wrote:
All this for just 200? Special!!! |
Very! Just hope I can find the extra funds, would be a shame to miss out..........what's a kidney worth these days?? 
| Yes, it might be difficult, without time on our side, to win over SWMBO. It would be the most I have ever spent on an item of Hi Fi. |
I've spent more but that was an all-in-one streaming solution and that was an 'easier sell' but on a single item?? think I'll just have to start sowing the seeds and see if that works 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 10:33am
Hey guys, can't you just do what I did to generate funds? I simply refined my equipment down by only keeping the bare essentials. It's all too easy to get attached to some pieces of equipment and forget that you can still really enjoy digital audio or vinyl records without quite a lot of it. Any of you with lots of different headphones, several different speaker sets (more than one), multiple headphone amps etc. Whatever is just needless excess is something you could consider selling.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 10:35am
Don't worry folks! 200 will take 2 years to sell. The manufacturing team here isn't big - although we can double it in size easily ... to four people  
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 10:47am
Graham Slee wrote:
ICL1P wrote:
All this for just 200? |
That's the state of this world. You put say 12 months of your life into something, and because 'we' gave everything to a devious, clever and now very powerful 'political game player', they can change things just like that!
I don't launch into a vitriolic diatribe about things like this anymore because it simply wastes my time and doesn't change a single thing, so why bother? I just take it on the chin and move onto the next job.
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Well Graham... First things first, you've made knowledge progress through the design process of this DAC; you have a Bitzie-beater, correct? That's a very important development and surely one that has made this project worthwhile. This succession can be carried forward to a future design, one that does not require the elaborate Majestic connectivity. I'm assuming that the part that is being withdrawn from beneath your feet is not an actual electronic component or chip? It's a rotary switch or some other mechanical switch on the device? If so, a future DAC device could do without it perhaps...
The most important thing that you have revealed on the subject of a DAC is that the Bitzie can be bettered so the project is far from a failure.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 11:00am
Graham Slee wrote:
Don't worry folks! 200 will take 2 years to sell. The manufacturing team here isn't big - although we can double it in size easily ... to four people  
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It's a long time since so many owed so much to so few! A truly remarkable achievement to maintain such a business and a real export contribution in the face of competetion from those with much larger corporate funding. Well done all.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 11:33am
Ash wrote:
Hey guys, can't you just do what I did to generate funds? I simply refined my equipment down by only keeping the bare essentials. It's all too easy to get attached to some pieces of equipment and forget that you can still really enjoy digital audio or vinyl records without quite a lot of it. Any of you with lots of different headphones, several different speaker sets (more than one), multiple headphone amps etc. Whatever is just needless excess is something you could consider selling.
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Funnily enough Ash, that's what I'm looking at but I don't have multiples of anything so it comes down what source I am more likely to want to stick with long term. In this case the Sonos may go as I have a Rotel CD player and an excellent Denon tuner, so I can still stream from my laptop via the Majestic directly into a power amp into the Spendors. Problem is that I love my amp so not a decision I will make in the very short term. 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 11:48am
mitch65 wrote:
I've spent more but that was an all-in-one streaming solution and that was an 'easier sell' but on a single item?? think I'll just have to start sowing the seeds and see if that works 
| You can say its TWO components in one, DAC and a pre-amp. Plus you save on one interconnect.....
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 12:04pm
Whilst listening to the one I'm sending to Ian, I thought I'd post the photos I took whilst modifying it to fixed line out on the RCA's...



Didn't want to say too much about 'the part' but it is one of the audio op-amps - maybe I owe my thanks to the wannabe forums... again? Anyone remember the HD250 ....
Takes me back to the onset of RoHS in 2005 when the Philips factory in Nimes burnt down thus denying the world of the best NE5532 ever made ....
NXP (Chinese Philips) never quite pulled it off with the replacement. On-semi nearly did, and Texas? What can I say... ?
I'll just have to do what I'm good at again - so tiring though.
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 12:30pm
morris_minor wrote:
mitch65 wrote:
I've spent more but that was an all-in-one streaming solution and that was an 'easier sell' but on a single item?? think I'll just have to start sowing the seeds and see if that works 
| You can say its TWO components in one, DAC and a pre-amp. Plus you save on one interconnect.....  |
Bob, if I said that all I would get in return is 'the look' or 'death stare' as I like to call it 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 1:07pm
Graham Slee wrote:
Don't worry folks! 200 will take 2 years to sell. The manufacturing team here isn't big - although we can double it in size easily ... to four people  
| But what happens when a big order comes in from China? It's a worry!
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 1:24pm
ICL1P wrote:
But what happens when a big order comes in from China? It's a worry! |
Going on the long experience I have with my Chinese distributor I would guess a maximum annual quantity of 50.
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 2:25pm
Graham Slee wrote:
ICL1P wrote:
But what happens when a big order comes in from China? It's a worry! |
Going on the long experience I have with my Chinese distributor I would guess a maximum annual quantity of 50.
| But what about the colonies? !!!
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 3:39pm
Given the very limited edition the Majestic might well turn out to be a sound investment. 
------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 4:34pm
suede wrote:
. . . . a sound investment. 
| In more ways than one!
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 5:42pm
morris_minor wrote:
suede wrote:
. . . . a sound investment. 
| In more ways than one!  |
Oh, I see what you did there 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 6:23pm
and for anyone who can't get a Majestic, a Bitzie is certainly a worthy substitute, in terms of sound quality. 
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 7:57pm
ICL1P wrote:
But what about the colonies? !!! |
Let me worry about that. If I can get another 3,000 pieces that ups it by 375 units. I wish I'd never said anything - it's not marketing hype like the others use.
I also think that a topic entitled Majestic DAC impressions should be about what it does rather than being choked with production concerns. We have after-all kept products like the Era Gold V alive after RoHS legislation wiped out most of its original components - without people being able to detect any difference. We've been dealing with this sort of thing for years, where others just let things slide.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 8:09pm
I'm going to post some listening impressions very soon. My unit's been in near constant use since it arrived and it's been settling in very well ...
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 8:16pm
My impression of the Majestic prototype* heard through small BBC monitor speakers in a small workshop was of remarkably detailed and natural sound. Every instrument in a wide and deep sound field. It was quite wonderful to listen to.
*It has further refinement so Bob and others' reviews should tell us even more.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 8:56pm
Majestic DAC - a preamp for the digital age! See the web page here: http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/majestic-dac.htm - http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/majestic-dac.htm
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Posted By: mitch65
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 9:11pm
Very nice 
------------- Greg
Rega Planer 3 Gram Amp 2 Audiolab 8000A Auralic Aries Mini Russell K 50
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 9:35pm
Really looking forward to it through the loan scheme. SWMBO agrees that the Reflex M is the best bit of HiFi we've ever bought, so it might be an easier sell than I anticipate.
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 11:25pm
Me too! And I think the product pages for the Majestic look very good.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2014 at 11:56pm
Graham Slee wrote:
Majestic DAC - a preamp for the digital age! See the web page here: http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/majestic-dac.htm - http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/majestic-dac.htm |
Very informative product page. Very well priced against the competitive market... ie, $1.6k to $10k !!
Still, there is not that much competition at this price with real premium quality sound and workmanship.
Bruce
------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way!
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Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 12:01am
morris_minor wrote:
I'm going to post some listening impressions very soon. My unit's been in near constant use since it arrived and it's been settling in very well ...  |
Looking forward to Bob's listening impressions, he too is very good in his reviews.
Thank you Bob in advance,
Bruce
------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way!
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 2:40pm
BAK wrote:
morris_minor wrote:
I'm going to post some listening impressions very soon. My unit's been in near constant use since it arrived and it's been settling in very well ...  |
Looking forward to Bob's listening impressions, he too is very good in his reviews.
Thank you Bob in advance,
Bruce | Thank you for the vote of confidence, Bruce! I hope that what follows lives up to your expectations!
Well the Majestic’s had over 4 days of being powered up,
with much of that time being listened to, and these are my impressions to date:
I’ve played a large number of FLAC files from my Cambridge Audio
NP30 streamer via coax, and a good few from my Mac via optical. If optical is
supposed to have an inferior performance to coax I couldn’t hear it, so you can
take my comments here to apply to both types of input. Critical listening was
done via a Solo ULDE and Audeze LCD-2 headphones, and file types were a mixture
of 44.1/16 and 96/24.
The NP30 was previously used with a well-reviewed Dutch NOS
DAC going into a Pro-ject Pre Box SE pre-amp, the Majestic replacing both of
these.
My first discovery was a new found clarity on all types of
music. With tracks from artists such as Bombay Dub Orchestra, Mercan Dede, Ali
Farka Toure, and The Afro-Cuban All-Stars percussive elements took on a
holographic persona, mirrored in the detail afforded to all manner of plucked
instruments. Here the characters of the instruments were enhanced by the light
now being shone on all phases of the notes – the attack, the sustain, and the
decay. Indeed the decays now had much more of a character of their own as the
timbre changes over time could be heard. I also found this in piano music -
Emil Gilels playing Beethoven Sonatas. The timbre of sustained notes could be
heard changing subtly as the pedal was lifted and the strings damped.
The DG recording for Gilels was not especially reverberant,
but this got me wondering how really reverberant recordings would sound.
Officium by Jan Gabarek and the Hilliard Ensemble fitted the bill – a small
male voice choir singing chants with a soprano sax soaring above and between
them recorded in a chapel sounding more like an empty swimming pool. The
atmosphere conveyed was tangible, and far from sounding like a wash of sound,
the details of individual voices were apparent within the vast acoustic and the
sax had an ethereal quality which was quite moving. I ended up listening to the
whole of this album.
Another choral item I auditioned was from David Munrow’s
splendid Music of The Gothic Era set from DG Archiv. Some of this was recorded
in the Chapel of Charterhouse School, where I worked for a while, and took an
interest in the school’s Recording Society which used the Chapel. Thus I’d had
some first hand experience of microphone placement and balance in the acoustic.
The Early Music Consort’s performances of Ars Nova pieces by Perotin were
conveyed with an immediacy that was strikingly set in the larger acoustic.
Again I put the effect down to the enhanced detail that the Majestic serves up.
Indeed, voices of all sorts are very well served by the
Majestic. Whether in Vivaldi’s Gloria, or Mark Knopfler’s Privateering. The
only word I can really use here is “character”; you get the nuances of
inflection. Dusty Springfield’s bass player on Son Of A Preacher Man was
suitably apparent left of centre, with Dusty’s gorgeous voice locked in the
centre, brass section on the right. Another female vocalist, Annie Lennox, was
superbly conveyed, with the fruity synth sounds on Sweet Dreams, for instance,
having a texture to them rather than sounding simply homogeneous.
First impressions of bass were that it wasn’t as deep as I’d
been used to. This was misleading, because on tracks where I knew there was
deep bass (Mercan Dede “800”, Jazz Jamaica “Double Barrel”, Sade “Soldier of
Love”) it was all present and correct. What wasn’t there was a bloated, saggy
bottom. Now bass is tight and tuneful - there when it’s really present in the
recording.
As further bass exploration I turned to an ASV recording of
Jeremy Filsell playing transcriptions of Jean Cocherau improvisations on the
organ of Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral, and an organ album of Shostakovich
Preludes and Fugues. There’s nothing like a 32’ pipe to get the windows
rattling, and rattle they did, but the details of the upper registers were
faithfully conveyed over the subterranean bass to give a very satisfying
session while the rest of the family were out. [This was heard via speakers of
course; not even LCD-2s can rattle windows . . ]
Orchestral music was conveyed with a depth and width that
was most impressive, whether Elgar from Boult, Mussorgsky from Maazel, Schubert
from Norrington. Inner detail was very impressive. The BIS recording of Vagn
Holmboe’s 2nd Symphony was particularly notable with a rich
detailed sound, stunning dynamics and great depth.
Rendering of treble sounds is particularly notable. From new
the treble sounded a little bright for my tastes, but it soon settled down to
be clear, crisp and free from any “digital glare”. High percussion has a
sparkle that’s never overdone and orchestral violins have a sheen underlined by
the rich midtones that’s very appealing. In fact, much like a good moving coil
cartridge. Speaking of which – as I mentioned in an earlier post – vinyl reply
using the DAC as an analogue pre-amp was totally transparent and as good as
you’re likely to get.
Many, many more tracks were auditioned from Zero 7, Emerson
Lake and Palmer, Joe Walsh, and jazz artists too numerous to mention (well, Jim
Hall, Gerry Mulligan, Paul Desmond, Miles of course, Thelonius Monk etc etc).
Quite a few tracks I played were my own rips of vinyl – thus
I knew what the files should really sound like. With the Majestic the
differences between vinyl and rip were disappearingly small for the first time,
and given that I only use a little M-Audio Transit USB interface as an ADC,
it’s very likely any issues here would have been with this, not the DAC. Also
it’s worth saying that 96/24 files didn’t necessarily sound better than
44.1/16. Good recording and mastering trumps the bit rate/depth on playback!
(IMO of course . . .)
The overriding impression that I have of the Majestic is
that it is a very special piece of kit. All aspects of the sound spectrum are
falling into place with a “rightness” and clarity that I know was lacking from
my previous equipment. Dynamics are first rate and the soundstage is wide and
deep. It’s about as far from a DAC-by-the-numbers as you’re likely to get. What
we have here is bespoke electronics engineering showing that the devil is in
the detail of the implementation and analogue stages.
I have to say a big thank you to Graham for persevering with
a project obviously fraught with many pitfalls, and have it come to such a
satisfying conclusion. And the best bit is that it’s not fully burnt in yet,
and so will actually get better!
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 4:31pm
A quite thorough review Bob. Mine's on the way, should be with me tomorrow. I shall try to match your eloquence in making my review after a suitable warm up and burn in, though asGraham has had it powered up for some time during testing it's part burnt in. Exciting times ahead.. thanks again to Graham and the team for making all this possible.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 4:45pm
Bob, you should have won that competition!
Thank you for such a thorough stint! The feedback helps cement my own findings.
Graham
------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 5:20pm
That's a great early review Bob. From what you write it sounds like the Majestic really
does manage to echo all of the Reflex's main strengths and virtues.
Which IMO are specifically the "rightness" and stunningly sure-handed
delivery of every tone and dynamic shade, no matter how quick the
changes in the music, and the superior transparency and clarity
throughout the entire sound spectrum. If a DAC can do these things as
well as the Reflex does it's sure to be a real winner. But who ever doubted that?
------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 5:55pm
Thanks for the kind words, Ian, Graham & Johan .
Johan - a "digital Reflex" ! That tells any Reflex owner what to expect in just 2 words, not the 1000+ I used  .
I really hope the Majestic can get some good published reviews in print and online; it deserves to be well known. . .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 6:59pm
An excellent review Bob, the equal of anything I have read in the hi-fi press. I know I am really going to enjoy the Majestic when mine is ready, having had a tiny preview earlier.
------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 7:04pm
Top notch review Bob. Thank you.
I am looking forward to hearing the loan model although I foresee a purchase in the months ahead - please keep a set of parts for me Graham!
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2014 at 9:37pm
A great review Bob which confirms my impressions. Now I've had it for 10 days I'm hoping to give an update very soon. It's not likely to be up to your standards but perhaps it will help people see how good it is.
------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.'
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Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 6:16am
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Dammit man, I don't like your review one little bit.
It sounds much too true to be good - for my financial health. Stuck here in the nether world at the other end of the earth, with too many DACs already, probably months before I can play with one of these myself and here you are with one in your system and confirming everything we all suspected from the getgo. 'Tain't fair I tells ya, tormenting poor folks like that. OTOH I cannot think of anyone who more deserved first crack and your appraisal does sound very comprehensive, at least for my interests and musical tastes. 'Onya Bob 
------------- Tony G
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 8:28am
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Thanks for the kind words, guys . . .
And, sorry Tony for putting more temptation your way! 
I do feel very privileged BTW to have such good kit in my system. My study system electronics are entirely GSP and I never, ever thought I'd have a "one make" hifi. After all being a hifi nut was all about judicious mixing'n matching and making 2+2=5.  Seems like I was wrong again . . .
It's a bit pretentious to say, but the system "synergy", what with GSP cabling an' all , is a wondrous thing . . .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 9:21am
Amazing, isn't it, when the designer knows exactly what he is doing.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: Bradders
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 10:25am
So just to clarify for me and save me reading 85 pages of the design stuff this is a switchable DAC like(in function) my Rdac and a pre amp that I would power the Propius amps or Solo ulde with?
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 11:29am
Bradders wrote:
So just to clarify for me and save me reading 85 pages of the design stuff this is a switchable DAC like(in function) my Rdac and a pre amp that I would power the Propius amps or Solo ulde with?  | I'm not familiar with the Rdac, but the Majestic can work as a pre-amp with 7 digital inputs and 1 analogue input. A (now) fixed line out on RCA phonos can go to a Solo, and variable pre-outs on balanced jacks to an amplifier. I use jack to phono adaptors to convert balanced to single-ended with great success, though I will, no doubt, be getting jack to XLR cables to get the best possible signal to my active speakers in due course.
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 6:20pm
Yes the balanced outputs of the Majestic will happily feed a pair of Proprius amps, the unbalanced will do the same for the Solo ULDE.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 9:20pm
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I have recently read Bob's excellent review on the new Majestic and thought that as I have now had mine for 11 days I thought it was time I gave an update on my original review. This appeared on the 'Big DAC ' thread before this one was created. As it contains details of my system etc you might want to read it there if you haven't already done so.
I find it hard to disagree with the things that Bob has said about the Majestic DAC. He has confirmed my impressions. When I first listened to it I was overwhelmed by the clarity, detail and vibrancy of the sound that it produced. I couldn't believe that so much extra detail existed on familiar albums. why hadn't I been able to access this before? When you already think that you have something you think of as close to perfection just to know there is more available makes one very excited! I wanted to play all my old music to see what I've been missing! When you have thousands of tracks as I do this will take a long, long time! Having experienced the burn in of a Solo ULDE I knew that the sound and musicality of the Majestic would only get better.
I have now had the unit for 11 days and I haven't been disappointed! My original observations have been justified in spades! Unlike Bob I have only used the Majestic as a DAC so I am not qualified to talk about the many and varied other options available on the Majestic. All I know is that the unit has become even more musical while retaining its detail, space and balance. Before, everything was there, but not as integrated as it is now.
My overall impression is that the music I've played through the unit can be expressed with the words vibrant clarity!! There is nothing false about this 'vibrant clarity' it is my way of saying that one can hear the pluck of the string or the the core of the sound as the bow vibrates across the string. One becomes aware of the silence of the space around the music and the nature of the sound that breaks it. It is natural and moving!
A couple of years ago I attended a live concert where 'The Armed Mass For Peace' by Karl Jenkins was being played. I already had this work on CD but hearing it live proved to be a different experience to the recorded version. Live, the string section vibrated, the trumpets were sharp and piercing, the call to prayer echoed around the hall and the timpani shocked. The recorded version, when I returned home, seemed tame by comparison. One lost the individuality and power of the instruments as they melded into one orchestral sound. The choir lost its breath and the individuality of the singers in the the ambience of the hall. With the Majestic this has miraculously reappeared. It is vibrant and moving! I defy anybody not to be moved by the quality of the serene Benedictus in this lovely recording!
After 264 hours of being powered up, with many hours of playing, things which I noticed individually have settled in to a cohesive natural whole without losing its space and detail. The treble, mid-range and bass have become balanced so that no part dominates unless it is meant to. Thanks to Ash I have had the opportunity to try the unit using different headphones (HD560II and HD540II) to my Grado PS 1000. Without wanting at this stage to compare the headphones I can only say that each type of headphone is improved by the majestic. Each retains its own character but gives much more.
I have to admit that, on my headphones, I haven't noticed any lack of depth in the bass as Bob did it first. On my headphones the sound is deep, vibrant and detailed. There is nothing saggy or loose about this! Even on old recordings the bass sounds tighter and more detailed. Obviously one can't put detail where it doesn't exist However, I have some Billie Holiday, From The Original Decca Masters, and Ella Fitzgerald from The Great American Songbook and in both the overall sound is improved and the bass more defined.
With well recorded albums I had to smile and wonder at the scintillating verve of the sound! On the album Didn't It Rain by Hugh Laurie one can't help but be dazzled and impressed. From the breath of the saxophonist creating the sustained note of the saxophone reed to the barrelhouse sound of the piano’s dampened strings there is the awareness of a beautifully created sound stage. Nothing is missing! Equally, Paul Simon's Graceland is a delight as Ladysmith's Black Mambazo growl into action against the African style guitar riffs.
In my youth I used to play acoustic guitar in folk clubs, bars and restaurants in this country and in Europe. I had a range of good guitars including a Martin, and other handmade instruments. As a result I have a good idea how a good instrument should sound. I can confirm that the sound I get from recordings played through the Majestic faithfully reproduces the quality of sound that I know exists in reality. One can hear the vibrancy and sustain of the note together with the squeak of the fingers as they slide across the strings or hammer onto the soundboard. An acoustic instrument can be almost a living breathing thing, and this can be perceived.
In writing this review, unlike Bob who seems to have a musical vocabulary superior to my own, I have found that my words are inadequate to the job of describing the Majestic DAC’s sound and I have inevitably rambled. All I can say is that I cannot imagine being without it. And when I pay for it I will do so willingly. It is special and I believe that it is worth every penny!
Phil
------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.'
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 10:14pm
Good one, Phil!
It is a great piece of equipment, isn't it?
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 10:23pm
Phil, thanks for another top notch review. Like Bob, you've captured the listening experience. I am expecting the same musicality the Reflex and Revelation bring to vinyl with instruments sounding real and music happening in front of me.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 10:33pm
Impessive reviews from both Phil and Bob, not only in their appreciation of the Majestic but also in the descriptive nature of their words. I now have a problem. My sample of the Majestic is unpacked and warming up. listening will start tomorrow; but in the not too distant future I too shall report my impressions. I hope I can match the objectiveness of their reports.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 5:30pm
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A follow up to my little review earlier . .
John C sent me a Lautus digital cable for use with the Majestic today, and this has upped the ante even more  .
I wouldn't have thought it possible, but detail resolution has improved still further, proving yet again that cables do make a difference!
I've just been listening to an Aix Recordings download of http://itrax.com/Pages/AlbumDetails.php?aID=AL_106221839745f1fa089b92c - Guitar Noir by Laurence Juber. Just an acoustic guitar with double bass and subtle percussion on some tracks. I wrote earlier about the attack, sustain and decay of notes. This recording is an excellent example of how the Majestic's detail resolution in this area can project a realism in reproduced music that is wondrous to behold. All the non-musical guitar noises that give character to the sound are here laid out before you in a way that integrates with the music to give a proper performance in totally natural way. A masterful recording of clarity, warmth and subtleness that was made for the Majestic. A rare conjunction of "audiophile" recording and super musical values . . .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 5:58pm
I agree with you about cables. When I got the Majestic John C provided me with a CuSat50 coaxial cable to try with it. It all adds to the brilliant sound experience that one gets. The Majestic improves the sound of most digital music, however, listening to a really good recording is the ultimate audiophile experience!
------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.'
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 7:28pm
The main thing that I'm interested in is how the line-level outputs of the Bitzie, Majestic and Solo ULDE compare in listening tests.
I am a minimalist and I want the best sound performance from the bare minimum equipment. For example, would a Solo ULDE improve on the unbalanced output of the Majestic or would you get the same results from the Majestic alone??
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 8:08pm
I'm not sure what you mean Ash. I originally hooked up my Solo with its inputs from a Reflex direct and via the Majestic, and having the Majestic switched in had zero effect on the sound, so I don't know how a Solo would "improve" the unbalanced outs. And you'd only use a Solo for headphones - it doesn't have a line out .. But I may have totally misunderstood what you're asking .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 8:44pm
In other words, would your headphone of choice perform better if you were to drive it directly from the unbalanced (phono) outputs of the Majestic (via a simple jack adaptor) or if the headphone is driven directly from the Solo ULDE? Assume that in both scenarios, a Reflex M sources their line-in.
The question is: Would the Solo ULDE output be superior to the Majestic output or would you not be able to tell them apart?
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 8:49pm
Ah. I don't know the answer to that one! I would think that the Solo would be electronically more suited to headphones than the line out of the Majestic. Horses for courses etc ...
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 8:58pm
The Majestic is a pre-amp. The line outs are not designed to drive headphones. They are as it says on the tin - line outs, dsigned to drive an amplifier, power or headphone. Whilst you may get some audio output from the headphones it would not be optimal.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 9:00pm
I mean, headphone amplifier outputs and preamp outputs, if I understand correctly, are around the same order of magnitude when it comes to signal sizes and voltages. My headphones sound great from my Bitzie analogue outputs and Graham describes this device as a preamp (for speakers, which need more voltage swing) as well as an amp (for headphones). This was partly why I asked Graham if I could use his Voyager as a preamp. Using this reasoning, why could I not use a Solo ULDE as a preamp to drive Proprius amplifiers? (not that I would)... I envisage preamps and amps as the same principle: increasing the order of magnitude of the signal. And that's it?? Have we all gone along with unnecessary convention or am I being really really stupid?? 
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2014 at 11:04pm
Ash wrote:
? . . why could I not use a Solo ULDE as a preamp to drive Proprius amplifiers? (not that I would)... I envisage preamps and amps as the same principle: increasing the order of magnitude of the signal. And that's it?? Have we all gone along with unnecessary convention or am I being really really stupid?? 
| If you had a source with a line out, it could go direct to Proprius amps as they have their own volume controls - no need to put a Solo into the system. A Solo is optimised for driving headphone loads, and as such is a specialised item.
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: discrete badger
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2014 at 8:22am
Voltage is not current and current must be considered to make sense of line out vs headphone out.
Line inputs should have a high impedance and draw very little current from a line out.
Headphones have much lower impedance so draw much more current at the same voltage RMS. Curremt is what enables the headphone drivers to do useful work moving air.
In order to drive headphones (or speakers) effectively, the amplifier must be able to provide sufficient current and maintain voltage no matter what the transducer draws. Line outs are usually not designed to do this.
It's a common misconception that the job of an audio amplifier is to amplify a 'signal' measured in volts. Then how can it be that 2V PtP at the line out of a CD player and 0.5V at the loudspeaker makes a comfortable listening volume in many cases?
No, the job of an amplifier is to convert the low impedance of a loudspeaker to the high impedance of a line in.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2014 at 11:14am
The Solo and Novo have an output stage designed for headphones. It means they can supply the necessary current for high (300 Ohms or more)and low impedance (8 or 16 Ohms) headphones. And they adjust automatically for variations in most headphone's impedance at different frequencies.
A preamp output is not designed to meet any of the above requirements. It is expecting much higher impedance load, say 10,000 Ohms or more, so much lower current draw, with no variation at different frequencies.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2014 at 11:16am
Ash wrote:
Graham describes this device as a preamp (for speakers, which need more voltage swing) as well as an amp (for headphones).
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A preamp for speakers? No, a preamp for a line input of an amp that drives speakers.
And yes, this one (the Bitzie) will drive headphones too - part of its design.
But not all preamp outs will do the same.
------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 3:17pm
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This weekend I moved my Majestic, temporarily, to my living room AV system to give it go running into a pair of Proprius monobocks driving PMC GB1i speakers, fed by the coax out of a Cambridge Audio StreamMagic 6 network player.
Usually the CA streamer is played via the DAC in an Audiolab 8200AP AV processor/pre-amp as this gives me a more satisfying sound than the CA's DAC. How would these DACs measure up against the Majestic?
The simple answer is, not very well! The Majestic is considerably smoother without loosing any detail, frequency extreme, or sonic impact. I've found with a lot of comparisons, that it's the reversion back to what you had before that can be as telling as the new kit, and going back to music via the Audiolab or CA, the sound was more fatiguing, with a digital harshness and edge to the treble that simply wasn't there with the Majestic. I could play music louder for longer with the Majestic in the system, and it was simply more enjoyable.
There's not much else to say, really, except that when driving the Proprius amps the Majestic was obviously in its element and music-wise it was a wrench to move it back to the study where it drives active speakers. I'm guessing there'd a very long wait for a GSP video-switching multi-channel pre-amp .. .. 
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 6:32pm
Why separate your best equipment? Keep it all together. 
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 7:34pm
Ash wrote:
Why separate your best equipment? Keep it all together. 
| If I had passive speakers in my study I probably would. The AV system has floorstanders which I couldn't accommodate sensibly in the study, and the visual look of my Harbeth actives (studio battleship textured grey) wouldn't go down well in the liviing room. The Harbeths have two amps per speaker and sound very, very good to my ears so I have no intention of moving them on. However, if they broke, 2 more Proprii and some good passives would be on the shopping list.
I feel very lucky to have two good systems, and the Proprius amps and Spatia cabling were an immense improvement for music. It's just that the Majestic has upped the ante all round  .
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 7:46pm
I had hoped to have put in a lot more listening by now , but most of my time has been given over to preparing to fight a planning application for 50 odd hoses in the field behind my house. My impressions to date are quite similar to Bobs latest ones. Listening to the Majestic so far has been limited to coax feeds from the Sky HD box and some streamed radio from my Denon Network Audio Player. The first thing I noticed was, err well, nothing. Such a natural sound, no emphasis anywhere in the spectrum, just clear vocals, quite deep bass (bearing in mind the source) and a well presented stereo stage. No excesses, nothing missing, just a clean smooth sound. Even SWMBO commented that it was "very nice to listen to" an accolade indeed!! She is very sensitive to the upper end harshness that often comes from broadcasts and noticed the absence this. Once the planning meeting on Wednesday evening is over I can get back to some serious listening and report further. Meanwhile, first impressions are Excellent, which is good, as you only get one chance at those.
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Posted By: earwiggo
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 8:15pm
'50 odd hoses in the field behind my house' Is it behind an old fire station? or should an 's' not be in the middle of that?
But seriously, Good luck with the planners - I've been there myself and a lot of stress...you need a bit more relaxing with the Majestic and your very fine system.
------------- ...If only I knew that yesterday!
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 8:24pm
Thanks for the wordsof support. What's a u between friends? Stressful is feeling like something of an understatement just now, no wnoder I'm mssipllenig! When its all over I might write a few words on the uses and abuses of planning policies and the NPPF as well as the merits of the Majestic.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 8:38pm
I just realised that the good ol' Playstation 2 has an optical output! I'm definitely buying a Majestic DAC now. This means that I can send CD/DVD audio to the Majestic AND get the best possible audio out of all of my favourite PS1 and PS2 games! Major win.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: Suggs
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 7:10am
Have fun with that Ash, but if you can lay your hands on one, the PS1 sounds better than the PS2 and by quite a large margin IMO...no idea why though You have to use the audio output, maybe that's why?
------------- Derek
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 10:02am
I've got a PS1 up in the loft as well. If it also has an appropriate sound output, I will try both with the Majestic. The PS1 is one with the very original appearance and my brother has a slim silver PS2. Should be interesting.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2014 at 5:12pm
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I'm just reporting back with a brief update on the Majestic DAC. I have had it now for about six weeks and I had thought that perhaps the burning in process would have been completed. However, over the last week or so I have been amazed that there are still improvements taking place! How could this be? When I already thought it was near perfection!
In an earlier review I mentioned how beautiful The Armed Man – A Mass For Peace by Karl Jenkins sounded. A few days ago I went back to this work having not played it since the previous review. I was amazed that there could be a difference! I immediately noticed the bass was more detailed, informative and refined. This was also true of other parts of the sound register. Everything seemed that bit more authoritative, balanced and natural with a real sense of atmosphere. The percussion, and vocals were incredibly impressive with no detail left undisclosed – just perfect!
I checked out some other recordings and in each my impression was confirmed. Whatever detail was available was there in spades. Orchestral music consistently impressed! Even in older jazz recordings where the bass, piano or strings in the lower register had seemed a touch fuzzy or unnatural had improved, and firmed up. In more modern recordings no detail was missing. Everything had its own perfect balance and natural bite. Even on difficult recordings, which on occasion had left one wondering if the amount of detail was almost too much, there was a non-fatiguing sense of balance and rightness!
The Majestic DAC that I have will, I believe, shortly become the loan unit. Borrow it if you dare because, once heard, you will end up mortgaging the wife, car, dog and kids just to get one!!!
------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.'
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 4:05am
From what I can make out from Silicon Valley investigations into burn-in, it could take up to 6 months!
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 8:53am
The principle of "burn-in" (or for electronics, I just call it "power-up time") is subject to much scepticism as it is not an easy thing to prove. However, as I come from a science background, I believe that both continued use of mechanical and electronic systems from new results in subtle eventual improvements in performance. I am considering eventually buying a second Samsung Galaxy S3 so that I have a complementary pair of them to keep my Bitzie DAC powered up all the time. When the battery of one device diminishes, I will quickly swap the micro-USB cable to an adjacent fully charged device. The Bitzie "shouldn't notice" the 2-3 seconds of power removal. Then, after a few months, I can take my second, spare Bitzie, plug into my spare S3 and listen to it from "cold", with the same headphones, to see if I hear any differences between the two Bitzies. I WILL be performing this experiment at some point.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 9:55am
Ash wrote:
I am considering eventually buying a second Samsung Galaxy S3 so that I have a complementary pair of them to keep my Bitzie DAC powered up all the time. |
A mains plug-in USB charger would be an easier and probably cheaper way to achieve this.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 10:32am
You could also consider a second battery for the S3 and a charging station. It's what I use for music festivals and long haul flights (4400mAh extended battery with deeper back for the phone) and only takes seconds to swap. Much cheaper than a second phone
------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 4:15pm
Hi Ash,
Sceptical? Really?...
"Aluminium electrolytic capacitors contain liquids (electrolytes). The electrolytes are conducting solutions of organic and/or inorganic acids, neutralised with amines or ammonia, in a variety of solvents. The major solvents are butyrolactone and ethylene glycol."
The above taken from a manufacturer data sheet. In manufacture of an electrlytic capacitor separator tissues are soaked in these chemicals and are placed in contact with etched anodised foils which are then wound to form the capacitor.
So wetting takes place in an instant? Oh, I'm sure it does...
Wetting is a process that will not fully penetrate the micro-etched holes until some electrolytic excitation occurs, and that doesn't happen while they're in a bag on the shelf!
Even so, it takes time.
If instant wetting takes place can somebody explain why the electronics industry invests heavily in flux processing machinery for printed circuit board tinning? Why, surely you just splash some flux on the copper and it tins perfectly just like that... Note; the copper isn't micro-etched to increase its surface area like capacitor foil is, but it still takes some wetting.
OK, that's one example.
Here's another...
Anybody ever read Elna's essays on capacitor construction affecting audio performance? Just one example from Elna is that the rubber bung or stopper material has an effect on bass performance. Often it is made out of a natural material called rubber. Capacitors vent some gas via the wire holes in the stopper, and when they do the rubber's grip on the wires changes. Therefore the bass performance changes... according to Elna.
And another...
What about the slit edges of the capacitor foil? The foil is sheet anidised, so on slitting to size, the edges are obviously not anodised!
However, in use the oxidising action of the liquid electrolyte oxidises those edges, but that takes a very long time unless you run them at a percentage over rated voltage, causing the temperature to rise - the heat being a catalyst - but that shortens the capacitor life.
And we're still on one component!
So let's now have a look at stabilisation of semiconductor performance. We need a mathematical model - what about the ebers-moll transistor model?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_junction_transistor#Ebers.E2.80.93Moll_model
You will note VT is the thermal voltage kT/q, so temperature comes in here, and with a number of temperature gradients, all influenced by other components, then the final stable state has to iterate its way there - could that take an instant? Or could it take an age?
(Iteration is a method for finding successively better approximations to the roots (or zeroes) of a real-valued function, devised by Issac Newton and Joseph Raphson)
Looking back to here: http://audio-forum.gspaudio.co.uk/big-dac_topic1729_post23939.html#23939
And looking at the spec on here: http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/majestic-dac.htm
You can see differences between distortion measurements, dropping from 0.004% to 0.002% over a period of a couple of weeks. Maybe that's scientific proof???
Maybe you can believe real engineers such as those who wrote: http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/39-05/Web_Ch7_final_J.pdf
In particular, page 7.13, "Voltage Sensitivity, Failure Mechanisms, and Ageing" with the emphasis on the 3rd paragraph.
Ash, I'm sure you will quickly conclude that burn-in exists because you are young enough to be taught, whereas some of the older end - especially those fan-boys of certain manufacturers who regurgitate the diatribe of certain manufacturers, refuse to be, thus denying themselves the pleasure.
Those manufacturers may be scared of their products overheating or bursting into flames if left on and therefore need to rubbish and undermine burn-in lest they are found out...
------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 5:50pm
Back on the Majestic, I echo Phil's observations. It's putting further distance between itself and my other DACs (in streamers and AV processors) by becoming more natural sounding and retreating into the background. My other DACs are sounding more digital, with a fatiguing edge to the sound that I'd never previously noticed. So much so that I've replaced my Denon 7000s as the go-to 'phones in the living room system with softer sounding HD650s - though their open back makes then less suitable for blanking out TV soaps ...
The Majestic/Solo/LCD2 combo I have in the study has to be my own pinnacle of audio excellence with a transparency and musical communication to be wondered at. If there's further improvement to come then the cake's icing will just get thicker....
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: msphil
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 6:44pm
Listen and learn Bob! The sound gains a new authority that comes from even more detail and refinement. I have been impressed from the start but every now and again something brings to your attention just how much things have moved on. Like a ripening fruit it gets better and better!
------------- 'You are, through your soul not your body, a human being.'
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2014 at 8:42pm
morris_minor wrote:
The Majestic/Solo/LCD2 combo I have in the study has to be my own pinnacle of audio excellence with a transparency |
I bet it is! That must surely perform at a level of excellence that very few people are able to actually understand. This is the realm where headphones begin to lose a lot of their headphone character. I really cannot praise Graham's DAC and amp equipment enough; nothing that he manufactures is a half-assed job. A lot of thought has gone into the creation and he's setting records when it comes to sound immersion, pace, rhythm and sonic purity.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 6:48pm
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The voyage of musical (re)discovery continues with the Majestic throwing new light on albums I thought I knew well.
Last up was Fleet Foxes eponymous first album. The Seattle folk band's album had always struck me as an attractive and musically clever collection spoilt by a swimming bath acoustic which, while initially appealing got rather annoying as it went on. But the Majestic took this by the scruff of its neck and showed what was lurking under all that reverberation: close harmony vocals were now identifiable as being the product of many human voices and not some synth pad preset and the many guitars now sounded properly located across the soundstage and they had more defined characters of their own. At one point I turned round wondering who'd spoken to me, but it was an off-mic comment by a couple of band members previously unnoticed.
That this new found clarity was rendered without destroying the atmosphere of the album is a pretty neat trick. (Though maybe I should have found another word - Ash will no doubt jump on me again . . .  ).
------------- Bob
Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 8:35pm
No, you can have this one.
------------- We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 10:02pm
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As Bob says, so
much music to re-discover with the Majestic. Fleet Foxes, now that’s another CD
I shall now have to re-discover.
So, with just over
2 weeks of listening to the Majestic it’s now time to share my impressions.
I’ve noticed quite
an improvement in sound over the 2 weeks, possibly due to further burn in of
the Majestic but, I thought, most probably more from the burn in of the
balanced input of my amp, powered up for a few years but not regularly used.
Reading Phil’s comments perhaps it’s both that are steadily improving.
I can only agree
with Phil, Bob and Ivan in their observations.
Overall I would
describe the sound as smooth, valve like perhaps, but with considerable
extension in the lower registers.
It is not over
bright in the upper registers, manages to tame the harsh sounds experienced
from some poorer digital sources, but maintains clarity particularly with
female voices and the leading edge of cymbal and snare drum strikes are really
sharp.
The bass extension
gives good definition to each note, good articulation and no smearing of bass notes
one into another.
Detail retrieval
is exceptional, as others have similarly observed with the Reflex. Previously
unheard details such as noises in the audience or background become apparent.
Soundstage is quite
wide and realistic sometimes appearing to extend beyond the physical limits of
the speakers and with well defined, stable imaging.
I think that for
me to keep throwing well deserved superlatives into a review does little to
help other prospective users/purchasers; it really does have to be heard to
appreciate its qualities.
A few words are
all that are needed to sum up its qualities; Transparent, detailed, involving,
non-fatiguing.
I have only found one
downside; for use as a pre-amp I really would have liked 2 analogue inputs one
for my Genera (soon to be Reflex) phono stage and one for my FM tuner, neither
of which (obviously) have digital outputs.
Sound wise I
really can’t detect any difference between the optical and co-ax inputs. My
laptop seems to output some digital hash via USB so I will reserve the USB
input for occasional use with a portable player, when I get round to replacing
my ageing iPod and Blackberry phone with something like the Samsung S3, which
Ash has had good results with.
Some of the music
used so far:
Elbow; Build a
rocket boys – vinyl (45rpm) LP and accompanying MP3 download.
Elvis Costello;
Armed Forces original vinyl LP, The return of the spectacular spinning songbook
FLAC
Steve Earle; Exit
D and Copperhead Road on original Vinyl
Florence & The
Machine; Lungs on CD & Vinyl
Ian Anderson &
Friends, Back Against the Wall – A tribute to Pink Floyd CD
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Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 10:15pm
Ian, you'll have to get one of these REK-O-KUT® LOW NOISE STEREO PHONO / AUX SWITCH
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair.
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Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 10:38pm
I shall just have to make a two way switch in an aluminium box with hard wired interconnects - simples!! Only problem is the time to make it would not be Majestic listening time.
------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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Posted By: audionewbi
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 1:22am
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How much does the Majestic DAC cost?
Edit: Just saw the pricing, wish I knew about this DAC sooner, might have got this instead of HUGO.
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