Ortofon 2M Black Ordered...
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Topic: Ortofon 2M Black Ordered...
Posted By: Graham Slee
Subject: Ortofon 2M Black Ordered...
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2013 at 3:56pm
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My last two cartridge purchases were the Goldring 1042 and Sumiko Pearl. I used to have a 1042 a number of years back, but it got damaged. Unfortunately the new one has not lived up to what my memory expected. I will not comment further. The Pearl is a... pearl! A bit "thick" in the mid band making strings sound like they're a heavier gauge but nicely detailed and quite spatial. My old Ortofon VMS20EII is getting well beyond its expected lifespan but still sounds silky smooth in the cymbal area. Bass texture is good, but mid band I'm not taken - none of the gripping emotion I'd like to think I got once upon a time from some cartridge or other (maybe/possibly). So I thought I'd try me a new MM and I've heard good things spoken of the 2M Black and thought it worth a try. I ordered direct from Ortofon, not to do a dealer out of a sale, but to try and ensure the cartridge is in best health on receipt - factory fresh hopefully. I will divulge my findings. Graham ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
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Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2013 at 4:13pm
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Great news! It will be interesting to hear your opinion of it as I use one myself. ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2013 at 4:15pm
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It suits my tastes very well - once set up optimally it is extremely neutral, tight deep bass, sparkling highs and tracks absolutely everything I have, even that HFN 'torture track'. I would not call the 2M Black 'warm' though - you seem to get exactly what is in the groove ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2013 at 4:58pm
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I've heard nothing but good reports about the 2M Black! Sounds a great choice . . . ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2013 at 7:56pm
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I too use an Otofon VMS20EII and VMS30II with my Genera. The stylii are both in good condition, but due to their age the suspension might be a bit tired. What effect this has on the sound I cannot judge, but I much prefer it to the re-tipped Ortofon MC15 I used to used to use. They have a much smoother presentation with good extended bass, but as Graham notes the mid range is now perhaps a little recessed. I have for some time toyed with the idea of 2M Black, so will be most interested to hear Graham's view. ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2013 at 7:34pm
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Happy listening Graham! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 5:26pm
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A Story of Mystery and Suspense This morning in perfect timing and as promised by Ortofon, the 2M Black arrived. But then began a weird mind-journey of mystery and suspense. I opened the carton and found two cartridges! The one I ordered - the 2M Black, properly packed, plus a Quintet Moving Coil Mono cartridge just chucked into the carton with no packaging around it! No stylus guard - nothing protecting the stylus and embedded into the polystyrene chips - this estranged cartridge looked as if at haphazardly fallen into the carton from the heavens. Is it scrap - a reject? Maybe used to save on polychips? Or is it a working cartridge? Nothing on the delivery note - no message saying "Graham, we thought you'd like to try this mono cartridge too - but we couldn't find its box". So I put it on the shelf for later investigation and tried getting to grips with the 2M Black. I bought the PnP version so I could swiftly attach it to my SL1210 arm - the PnP (plug'n'play) version comes attached to a plug-in headshell. Having used nearly everything there is to try on a Technics arm, I was quite shocked and worried that I couldn't balance out the 2M Black! This is some heavyweight cartridge! And not having the Technics screw-in additional counterweight (meant for some disco cartridges), there was no way to set up the down-force. I was happy to see the inclusion of an Ortofon stylus force gauge - at least I could set the weight with that? No, I couldn't! The Technics counterweight was as far back as it would go without falling off! I thought that maybe the headshell was the culprit? So, removing the cartridge I plugged the headshell in on its own, and the arm was still stuck up with the counterweight fully forward. Honestly I thought "sh*t! this cannot be happening to me?" With all my 40 years experience the 2M Black had defeated me! What about all those other customers who'd shelled out £500+? (I could answer that but maybe I shouldn't...) So I had to resort to Blutack.  One great glob of Bluetak wrapped around the middle section of the counterweight slide, and it still wouldn't balance out!  With the counterweight just latching onto its last thread by the skin of its teeth I was able to secure the recommended 1.5 grams by using the supplied stylus balance (which is very sticky and a bit suspect - unlike those they supplied in the 80's). Unable to do any proper test record setting up I decided to just play something to have a listen. A good test is Joe Walsh "Got Any Gum". Well, from cold the 2M Black is mightily impressive, but not any more impressive than my ageing VMS20EII. And that's about as far as this review can go - until I find a way to set the 2M Black up properly. But I note it has many fans... maybe as it costs over £500 people feel they have to say great things and not say a word about it being such a dog to use? Maybe if I add a nought onto my prices I'll get the same fame? ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 5:50pm
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Very strange Graham, the standard counterweight on my RP-6 is about halfway down the stub, using 1.62gms downforce on the 2M Black, set with a little digital stylus gauge. ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 5:53pm
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Didn't know that even existed. The Ortofon website does say 'Universal mount fitting a wide range of tonearms. NB: on Technics models please use the auxiliary weight which is vital in this case.' Yes they are fussy buggers and the VTA is important to get correct. I tend to to balance mine out a bit heavier than 1.5, 1.6g I think. Needs a few hours to burn in as well, but you will apreciate the need for burn in  I also use a digital scale from Audio Origami who seems to sell the frequently seen Stylus scale cheaper than anywhere else. I do wonder if the 'super' diamond profiles make them a lot fussier than elipticals. ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 9:07pm
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A time for forgiveness? (The above replies noted) It must have been written in the stars that I would indeed be able to appreciate the 2M black because, on the way back from one of nature's breaks, I ventured into the "junk room" and spotted a container. On further investigation I found it contained the elusive Technics arm counterweight adapter. Off came the Blutack and on went the adapter, and joy of joys - I managed to get the cartridge to balance, and dialled in 1.5 grams! I know the Technics arm is very accurate for dialled-in settings as I've checked it with The Cartridge Man electronic stylus gauge to within 5% - which is not bad! So out came the famous Howland West Audio/Hi-Fi Sound stereo test record that was all the rage in the late 70's/early 80's cartridge reviews. First track up was the first one on side two: bias correction and tracking ability at the outside of the disc. At 1.5 grams the 2M black sounded like a bee on speed! This track should be easy for any cartridge worth its salt, but perhaps the 'Acos Lustre' arm the Technics uses - identical to what Rega used on the original Planar 2 and 3 - isn't all that good?  OK, giving it the benefit of the doubt, I dutifully blamed the arm (that sublime sounding arm...) and upped it to 2 grams, where it sounded more like it should (and I take on the point it isn't anywhere near run-in yet). I then put it on track 6 which repeats the same test for the inside grooves - which is the place on all records that distortion is at its worst. Again a bee on speed! But here we get to VTA, and the Technics being equipped for arm height adjustment, that is easily tried and retried. After a number of attempts position 1 on the height adjuster gave the best results - 'the bee flew out the window'. Going back to 1.5 gram the bee returned. Setting the bias anywhere between 0.5 and 3 grams made no difference, so down force and bias were set at 2 grams. Turning the test record over you get the dreaded bands A, B and C - lateral modulation tests. If you remember all those old 70's/80's cartridge reviews you'll remember 'band C'. Band C is notorious at throwing poor styli out of the groove. So how did the 2M black fair? It pulled it off with only a little bit of bee on speed! Hopefully with a few more hours on the clock, the 2M black will do the above at its rated down force of 1.5 grams but for now its 2. Around 1980 a pal of mine by the name Garry loaned me an album by Yes. He said this is not your average Yes, and he was right! It was fronted by Trevor Horn and not Jon Anderson. Another bonus was Alan White on drums - much less mechanical sounding than Bruford. Also, Hugh Padgham was at the desk and not Eddie "are you ready Eddie" Offord, so the meters were not stuck permanently in the red! Track one side two: "Into The Lens" became a favourite and it also helped my 'photographic hearing memory' to develop. The instrumentation and vocals on this track are unforgettable after you've listened to it nearly every day for the six weeks Garry was begging me to return the album! I had played it using the VMS20EII, and continued to do so after I bought my own copy - and now, using the 2M black, I wanted to hear if everything fitted with my memory of that track. It sure did! Was I transported back in time? Not exactly because time also contains moods, emotions and events unrelated to the music - but it was close enough. Engineer Per Windfeldt has done a good job as usual! However, Ortofon give the praise to the aesthetic design company Møller-Jensen, and whilst I can understand that bling is a must for hi-fi lovers (as opposed to music lovers), I think Per should take the credit. Maybe Møller-Jensen are responsible for the heavy weight of this cartridge? More to follow as the 2M 'burns in'. Graham ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 10:34pm
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It's a relief and a pleasure to hear you've got it performing well and bringing the music to life, Graham. I was going to send you some counterweights tomorrow! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: nils1953
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2013 at 5:20pm
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Very interesting Graham! As a new member and owner of a Rega RP 40, I have not been very impressed with the Elys 40, well, at least not yet, but then I have some upgrades on the way for the TT, and have not yet procured the Correct phonostage with the PSU1. Anyway, as I have also read many good things about the MM Black, I was considering this as a favourite option for a further upgrade. It will be most interesting to learn from your experiences.  Nils |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2013 at 9:30pm
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Indeed very interesting hearing your findings on the 2M Black Graham. I'm eager to hear more once it's fully run in and 100% calibrated. ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2014 at 8:02pm
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Graham, I hope this is run in by now? Would you care to share your thoughts on the 2M Black. I'd also be really interested to know if this is worth the difference over the 2M Bronze. I was tempted to go MC, but the cost of a suitable phono stage or the Elevator EXP means I could buy the 2M Black and use my excellent Reflex M.
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2014 at 1:15am
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Hi Kevin In addition to my earlier posts on this topic - The 2M Black seems quite revealing of the original mastering. If you seek a slightly coloured or 'warm' glow to your recordings this may not be the cartridge for you. I have tried back to back CD and hi-res FLACs of the same music and the tonal balance is extremely close, almost indistinguishable apart from slightly more 'presence' and better timing (on the vinyl) Surface noise with the Reflex is very low on the best recordings, much less noticeable than when I tried another brand phono stage. My friend has a 2M Bronze and we originally demoed at the dealer at the same time - the Black just seemed that bit more refined and 'fuller' sounding. He already had his cartridge, I purchased mine from new. After almost 2 years and recently onto my second stylus, I still have no desire to change cartridge, it does everything I could ask for and I listen to a 'ridiculous' amount of vinyl  Like you, I await Grahams' further impressions with interest ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: tyticom
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 1:57pm
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Hello! I spent tones of time to resolve this "bee" problem with my ortofon 2m bronze on my technics sl1200. And it looks like that 2m series (I have both Red and Bronze) can't work good with original technics sl1200/1210 tonearm because of too heavy tonearm mass and it's all about resonant frequency of a system tonearm/cartridge which is coupled to the record by the compliance of the cantilever suspension. Resonant Frequency (of the cantilever) The acoustic frequency at which the cantilever will become excited and vibrate out of control. This frequency is measured in cycles per second. Also referred to as 'hz'. Resonant frequency of a cantilever is regarded as inescapable and the effect is controlled by manipulating this frequency to exist in a range below human hearing but not so low that it will become excited by external vibrations such as foot fall disturbance or that of a warped record. This ideal frequency range is 8 to 12 hz. The lowest of low organ notes rarely go below 20 hz. Footfall and record warps happen below 6 hz. The effective mass of a tonearm in combination with the compliance of the cartridge cantilever serves to determine where the resonant frequency of a given tonearm/cartridge match up will be. In general terms, arms with high effective mass fitted with cartridges of high compliance result in resonant frequencies that fall below the ideal range. At the opposite end, arms with low effective mass mated to cartridges of low compliance result in resonant frequencies above the desired range. Both extremes are to be avoided. Resonance frequency can be calculated by using the formula: f = 1000 : (2 x π x √ M x C) or f = 159,1543 : (√ M x C) where: f - Cartridge resonance frequency in Hz M - Total tonearm system mass which is a sum of Mass of cartridge, Mass of headshell+Mass of leadwire for cartridge and screws and Effective mass of tone arm (all values in gram) so what we have with 2m black...? Compliance, dynamic, lateral - 22 µm/mN (I'm not totally sure that it's exactly 22 and not more) Cartridge weight - 7,2 g Tonearm eff. mass (technics sl1210/1200) - 4,5 g screws + headshell leadwire (I use Ortofon LW-800S) - 1,3 g headshell (original for technics sl1200/1200) weight - 7,5 g (7,2 + 4,5 + 1,3 + 7,5) x 22 = 451 sqrt 451 = 21,2367 f = 159,1543 / 21,2367 = 7,3009 Hz That is not ideal.. and maybe it's why we have some distortion.. Maybe it's good idea to try KAB Tonearm Fluid Damper. I will try it soon. Cheers, Sasha |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 2:13pm
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Excellent article Sasha. I use the Black PNP with its own headshell which I believe may be lighter than the Technics headshell? As that is a term in the divisor equation, then it may produce a result larger than 7 point 3. Also, how does the additional Technics counterweight factor into the equations? I personally have noticed no ills with the Black PNP on my SL1210. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: tyticom
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 3:38pm
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Weight of ...and now we don't mind screws and leadwire in our formula: (23 + 4,5) x 22 = 605 sqrt 605 = 24,5967 f = 159,1543 / 24,5967 = 6,4705 Hz That's not good... As I know counterweight and additional counterweight are not important for our equations. But))) The good news that you have no ills with your Black PNP on your sl1210 and all this rules shouldn't mind you. I still have some hi-frequency distortion (they stick to my speakers and make me unhappy) when play some records that I could short reduce by higher VTF (like 2 grams or more but dynamics completely died. I mean no more air). Changing VTA give me nothing and others cartridge like ATP-2XN or Shure WhiteLabel work fine. Also I have Van Den Hul MC-TWO Special cartridge with the same problems on Technics sl1210. PS sorry for my english Best, Sasha |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 4:49pm
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SO Graham, What do you think of the 2M Black? Are you happy with it? |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 6:04pm
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Great English Sasha, and good to see some math from somebody else... So what do I think? It's a darn sight better than some of the highly acclaimed MMs - one in particular I'll not name but used to be a favourite of mine... seems QC has gone south (or is it east?) on that one. People tend to warn about Ortofon and fussy set-up (not meaning Sasha) but if mine isn't set-up right I can't wait to hear it when it is. The Black makes all my vinyl sound good! ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2014 at 6:19pm
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How much VTF do you have on your Black now Graham? ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 12:19pm
| I also assume that if the 2M Black is making all of your vinyl sound good, it must be in danger of being elevated to your new favourite cartridge? |
Posted By: Montoya
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2014 at 2:48pm
| Graham are you currently using the Reflex M with this cart? I am looking forward to hear your impressions I have this same cart and have so far been impressed. |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2014 at 1:12pm
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I've just replaced my 2m Black stylus for the very first time after about 1000-1500 hours or so of playing, and the surge in performance is definitely noticeable even with the new stylus straight out of the box! I'd almost forgotten how insanely lucid and articulate the 2m Black is in the very highest frequencies. I just hope I wasn't too late in replacing the stylus and that I haven't caused any excessive harm to my records over the last couple of months!  ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2014 at 5:44pm
I am extending the life of mine by sometimes using a lower cost Blue stylus for lower-fi records (ie old-remastered blues LPs etc) or when I am not specifically listening with full attention. The sound is not too far off so maybe the higher spec Black body elevates the Blue performance beyond its normal levels. It requires a slight increase in tracking force I also have one 2013 LP where the Black shibata mysteriously mistracks in a couple of places, whatever I do to tracking force or bias. When I wrote to the artist he replied that this was cut using 'wide groove' (?) so I tried the Blue elliptical diamond stylus - the issue goes away completely and it plays beautifully. Strange  ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
suede wrote:Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2014 at 11:41am
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That is a good solution, I'm just worried that the switching back and forth between styli will eventually mess up the alignment of the cartridge. Also the styli of the 2m range are pretty cumbersome beasts, I'm sure I'd go and break one of them eventually if I had to handle them that often. ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2014 at 1:32pm
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When replacing either stylus, the clip on guard protects them and there is very little force involved. I check alignment occasionally with an arc protractor/magnifying glass - the alignment looks spot on and it still sounds great ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2014 at 2:42pm
I've actually managed to break off the fastening bit on the clip-on guard of both the original and the replacement stylus  ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2014 at 2:55pm
Too much brännvin ?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A4nnvin - ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2014 at 3:18pm
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I wish , but if anything it was down to too much coffee and just plain clumsiness. And perhaps the (IMO at least) awkward design had some small part in it as well. But doing it twice is still pretty impressive I'd say.  ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: kirschv
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2014 at 1:45pm
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A German magazine, "Stereoplay", tested twelve pick-ups, some MM, some MI, some MC. The interesting thing is that they made recordings in 48khz/24bit-.wav format. And you are able to listen every pick-up. Please use the following link: http://www.audio.de/ratgeber/tonabnehmer-vergleich-test-plattenspieler-musikbeispiele-download-2072844.html Unfortunately, it is only in German language, I apologize for this, but at the bottom of the page you will find the list with the download files of the different models. I downloaded the Goldring MI 2300 and the Ortofon 2M Black files. And even with my built-in Macbook speakers I could hear a little difference. The 2M seems to have more volume at instruments and voices but not less dynamics than the 2300. But try yourself. May somebody has a connection from Notebook to Hifi equipment and can listen osme more differences. I hopefully can do this next week when getting at least a simple cable for testing the connection from Macbook to Supernait. ------------- Volker |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2014 at 2:02pm
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Does anybody have experience of the AT150MLX and the 2M Black? I have read that they are very similar, so until I can clarify otherwise I think I will put my purchase of. 2M Black on hold. It's a lot of money to find it's potentially only slightly different to what I have now. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2014 at 2:37pm
.------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2014 at 7:22pm
I'm looking for an alternative cartridge to the Black for the roadshow and may opt for the AT150 and I would also be interested to know. I agree the 2M Black is very expensive for an MM. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2014 at 8:48am
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Another cartridge I am considering is the Nagaoka MP-500. It's similar in price to the 2M Black, and I have heard good things about this cartridge too. If anybody has used this, I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Even more so if you have had one and then changed to a 2M Black. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2014 at 8:29pm
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I have just found a 2M Black for a good price. It should be here early next week. Mrs H is going to kill me when she finds out but it was too much of a bargain to turn down. I think I now have enough cartridges, and just need to sort out my platter! Ooops.------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2014 at 8:43pm
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I fear Mrs H will you as much as the money! From what I've read about the 2M Black you have some long listening sessions ahead of you. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2014 at 8:56pm
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It wouldn't be so bad, but I ordered an SAE1000LT yesterday. This will take me up to 5 cartridges. This time last year, I only had one! I guess I will soon be selling off my MP150, and either the 2M Black or AT150MLX, depending on which one I prefer. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2014 at 5:48pm
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The 2M Black has arrived. I've got home knackered, so I am not risking fitting it tonight. My Funk arm is supposed to be here next week, so I'll wait until then. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2014 at 7:17pm
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I am excited for you and admire your self-restraint. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2014 at 6:21pm
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I could wait no longer... However at just under 1.5g it's not sounding great, but I am still on the first side. What tracking force are you guys using, and how long does it take to run in? ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2014 at 7:02pm
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Kevin, many will set a new cartridge to the maximum recommended VTF (1.7gm for the 2M Black) when new and only reduce this as the cartridge breaks in. Keith noted in another thread that his was still improving after around 70 hours. Higher VTF is less likely to damage your records than the mistracking than can accompany too low a VTF. ------------- Tony G |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2014 at 11:09pm
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I run the 2M Black at 1.62gms using a digital scale. I am on my second stylus, at around 500 hours. The sound hasn't noticeably changed since the first 80 or so ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2014 at 11:02am
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I've got mine at fairly precisely 1.50 grams. I find that a higher VTF reduces a lot of the airiness in the treble and gives an unnatural bass emphasis, as well as messing up the pacing somewhat. But I suppose this varies a lot with different turntables. ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2014 at 10:05am
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Any comments on the Bronze? I was considering it in advance as an alternative for my AT440MLa (of which I am very satisfied) for next year when the stylus would have to be replaced.... |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2014 at 5:28pm
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I have not tried the Bronze, so I can't comment on that. However, if you like the sound of the AT, you could try the 150MLX as an alternative upgrade to the Bronze? ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2014 at 7:28am
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Yes, I had thought of the 150MLX, but I was curious to try once the Ortofon sound which is reported to be "fuller". Not to mention that the 150 is a bit heavier than the Ortofon, which leaves me worried for reasons of balance on my arm. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2014 at 8:21am
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I'm just about to try the 150ANV to find out just what all the fuss is about - it recently came out top in the Michael Fremer cartridge test using an Era Gold, so I'm going to give the same set-up a listen. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2014 at 12:14pm
A possible downside to this is the effect of having the counterweight further from the bearing than would be desirable, but for someone in the position I was - a secondhand turntable not supplied with the heavier counterweight - it was a solution. And tracking and sound quality turned out to be fine . . . ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2014 at 5:38pm
I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this, as I think it's a little outside of my price range, so that is all I am likely to hear! ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2014 at 7:11am
I'm wondering if it is heavier as I just set up the 150ANV version without the need of the Technics add-on counterweight? Having said that, the Ortofon 2M Black I have is the PnP - it came with its own headshell - maybe that is heavier than a Technics headshell? The PnP Black will only balance out using the add-on counterweight. And now for my initial impression of the AT 150ANV... not all that good. The stylus assembly covers the fixing screws, so to finely adjust the position to get the geometry right means taking the stylus off, and on, and off, and on, whilst you guess its position, and hopefully manage to get it just right. I think I managed it in three attempts... The supplied instructions are very amateurish, and don't really help. At first the stylus clips on with a positive click, then less positive, then feels sloppy. There being no logical line-up feature - it is just guess and go for it - suggests that the user (me in this case) is doing some untold damage to the stylus/cartridge interface. I hope not.  First listening told me that it's going to take some time to be able to tell any real difference between this and the Black. I have this horrible feeling that MM has lost the plot... Contrast this with the Denon DL103 (yes, a moving coil...) which produces a sound I last heard on a friend's Pioneer PL12D in a bedsit in Leeds in the 70s - such a fresh inviting sound - at least the DL103 is different, whereas today's MMs seem to be doing a disservice to the 'art'. If I had my way, Mr Len Gregory would still be making his MKI Music Maker and Goldring would be making their 1042 to the original recipe... when cartridges cost more than £300 or £400 you expect a certain something! That the DL103 cost me only £175 says something!!! And it was a joy to set up! I cannot believe that I, hater of all things MC, am saying this. I will tell you all now, I often revert to my ancient Sonotone 9TA ceramic for sheer musicality. OK, not so good on stereo imaging, but music is much more than that. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2014 at 10:31am
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2014 at 6:57pm
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Welcome to the MC club Graham. The DL-103 is ear opening and not fussy, quick setup for involving musical sound. In short, a lot of passion per pound when partnered with an MC stage that lets it shine. Nice one Tony, shockies rather than smilies! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2014 at 7:46pm
What changed and when? ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2014 at 4:38pm
Dunno! The last one I bought didn't sound like the first one I remembered - and I've a good musical memory. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: oldagetraveller
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 11:56am
Very strange. I have a 1999 1042, which has had one new stylus in it's lifetime, and purchased another complete cartridge assembly about three months ago. I use both on different arms and turntables (1981 Ariston RD80/Linn Basik Plus, 1991 Little Pink Thing/RB300) and cannot detect any difference in performance/quality when compared. Unless they "changed" prior to 1999! Why would they change the "recipe" anyway. I did read a 5 star review yesterday, U.K. source, which really didn't contain any criticism(s) at all. Is it possible you received a dodgy example Graham? According to the box it still states "Designed and Handbuilt By British Craftsmen". So, assuming non of them have emigrated to China, they are surely still made here? ------------- Peter P T- LPT/RB300/G1042, Pink Triangle Tarantella/Nima/Ortofon 2M Black, SL1210II, Naim CD5, NAC112, NAP150, Flatcap2, Proac SC1, GS SoloUL,GS Accession , Senn HD250 & HD540. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 12:32pm
A possibility I guess.
I truly hope so. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: kirschv
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 2:58pm
I don´t think that they changed before 1999. I tried to find the first date of launch of the 10.. series in www, but can´t find any serious sources. My personal, and possibly wrong, impression is that this series hasn´t started too much time before. May somebody here in the forum knows. I will ask some German experst too. Nevertheless, I just installed a nearly new 1042, but bought approximately about 2003, at my old LP12 / Basik Plus at Sunday in pleasant anticipation of getting my new phono-pre delivered Monday. Very first sound impression for the 1042 is the same as 15 years ago listening to the first 1042 stylus. Thus, I can´t hear any changes. As far as I remember. With the fully wisdom of knowing what I heard 1o years ago  On the other hand, the change of the Phono-pre is tremendously. But that is another story... ------------- Volker |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 8:06pm
The PnP cartridges are known for coming with a slightly heavy-ish headshell, yes. About the AT instructions, I agree. The ones with the 440MLa were awful. And (taking great care) I did not follow the suggestion to remove the stylus when I installed mine. How can you set geometry without the stylus on? But wait before judging the 150ANV. My 440MLa started to shine only after 40 hours! |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 8:10pm
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Gob smacked and jaw dropped I'm listening with the AT150ANV via an Era Gold V. It seems the stylus assembly possibly did not suffer. Still less than 10 hours on this cartridge - if it gets better than this... I'm speechless. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 8:59pm
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If it gets any better, I don't want to know. Divorce papers will arrive if I ask Mrs H if I can buy one! ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 9:26pm
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Better not tell you about the Grado Sonata 1 then ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 10:11pm
That's a big change from your initial impression. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 11:17pm
To be honest I thought I'd damaged it having to take the stylus assembly on and off so many times to get to the screws, but now with a more run-in Era Gold V (it's a brand new one for the show) the sound is approaching what I would expect for the price, and maybe I didn't do any damage? Only time will tell. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 6:14am
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I have my screws fitted the other way up to minimise the number of times the stylus has to come off. My AT150MLX sounds very good, so I can only imagine what the ANV sounds like. I think I prefer the 150 to the 2M Black at the moment. I would be interested to know, but I think you also need a SAE1000LT on the short list of cartridges to listen to. I'd be interested to hear a out the Grado and your thoughts compared to the Denon 103. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 8:03am
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If only the SAE1000LT (or E) were a currently manufactured cartridge. I was offered a loan of one but decided to bow out on the grounds of the possibility that I might accidentally break it. Therefore, and because of the difficulties in demonstrating lots of things in a short time, I had to limit my choices to the DL-103; Sonata 1; 2M Black; and AT150ANV. I should add that John Chen of Grado (Brooklyn) kindly sent me the Sonata 1 in exchange for a Solo Ultra-Linear - OK, it isn't a like for like swap in monetary value but it's good for trade relations. Also thanks to Rome E Castellanes of Starbrandz and LP Gear in Nevada for letting me have the AT150ANV at a trade accomodation price. I had to find out about the 2M Black because I often get asked about its suitability with my phono stages - bought direct from Ortofon I paid the full asking price. They probably don't remember the trade deal I did on three Reflex phono stages for their R&D department by now. And the DL-103 was bought from a hi-fi shop in Islington called Bartletts who I found on Amazon. The two Technics SL12xx II's plus new tonearms and flight cases; a Marantz CD6005; and one of two Fujitsu laptops swallowed another chunk of budget. Add the display banners and display unit plus room hire, advertising etc, and the roadshow cost is heading toward 5 figures... and all for around 30 visitors so far... (maybe this reply has crossed the border with the roadshow topic...) ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 8:15am
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I feared that my trusty Ortofon VMS30MkII might be suffering old age, so I have just fitted an AT440Mla. I now understand Grahams misgivings about the stylus removal. There is probably a knack to doing it safely, but in learning there seems a danger of knackering it! As Kevin has done I also mounted the screws to the top, which does make the alignment process easier. It's only had a couple of hours so far, but early impressions are good. Not quite in the Ortofon territory yet, but no glaring vices. The frequency extremes are gradually developing, the treble noticeable better than the bass. In set up it passed all of the HiFi News torture tracks except the +18dB 300Hz bias check track as evidenced by Graham's Bee on speed. As it breaks in some further tweaking of the VTA and VTF will be required, it seems to need a steeper VTA than Ortofons do. I.e. arm pivot raised to give almost level mount rather than inclined down towards pivot. ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 8:31am
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Yup, also my 440MLa passes all the torture tracks except for the last one! |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 9:19am
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The 300Hz torture track (+18dB) or 'band C' as it is sometimes called, was often used in old reviews, so when I got hold of a copy of HFS75 I expected I'd not be able to get my cartridge - like Ian, a VMS20EII, through it. Surprisingly it tracked it using the Roksan Tabriz arm on a RP3, but with some flutter due to the Rega pulley. When I got into Technics SL territory I didn't expect anything to track 'band C' because people wre so scathing about the Technics. However, the arm is the old 'Acos lustre' without the lustre - it's highly polished, and was good enough for Rega in their early days. On a side note, I can see how relatively easy it would be to take a Technics replacement arm and add your own arm base... Rather than throw the stylus out of the groove, all cartridges I've tried get through the journey, but some distort badly whilst others almost manage to do it cleanly (on a Technics SL...). Because the record is now quite worn I doubt if any cartridge would reproduce the 300Hz tone purely. On side 2 of HFS75 the last track is a similar test but at +15dB, and to me that is just as important, because that's where the grand finale/climax of a work usually goes. I also have a Cartridge Man test record which has a more torturous test track which produces a great visual effect of repelling the arm. If you can get anything to track that, then you are or the equipment is a wizard! ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 10:00am
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The test record I now use is the newer Len Gregory, Cartridge Man "Producers cut" version. Bands 6,7,8 and 9 on side 1 progressively move through +12, 14, 16 & 18 dB 300Hz the last being the innermost groove. Indeed a torture, which the Ortofon VMS30 only just managed to track but with quite a lot of buzzzing Bee action. I use an audiomods arm, but without the micrometer. This is a Rega based arm in that it uses the Rega armtube, but everything else is by Audiomods. It has continuous silver Litz wires to the Genera phono amp, these probably tend to highlight the upper registers. One fine day I hope to rewire with copper Litz. Another on my list of little jobs to do! ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: kirschv
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 7:12am
Sorry to come back to the 1042 again while the discussion is already two steps further. I sent a message directly to Armour Home, the current possessor of Goldring. But the people there don´t seem to know more than the history sheet on Goldring´s webpage is telling us. And this is not much. The 10xx series started in 1985 with the 1020, and in the meantime there were made stylus upgrades. So, it seems that Graham´s pickup isn´t playing as it should. Remarkable in my opinion is that they are manufacturing since nearly 30 years the same corpus out of the same material, and the pickups are still competitive. I like these long lasting products.... ------------- Volker |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 01 May 2014 at 6:40pm
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Graham, at the end with more listening and more breaking in, which ended up as your personal favourite? Ortofon 2m Black or AT150? And are you running the AT150 without any tweaks (resistive/capacitive plugs)? |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 01 May 2014 at 7:18pm
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I will be doing more listening using the Reflex M (no tweaks) and the 'mystery stage' quite soon and will report back. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 1:05pm
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I have just fitted my 2M black to my FX1200 arm. VTF set to 1.5g, headshell set level to record deck. I can see why people like the 2M Black. A nice, full bodied, evenly balanced and detailed sound. It seems to work really well on the FX1200. I am looking forwards to hear how the 150Anniv compares, and also to hear some feedback from the Road Show attendees. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 2:00pm
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I have read various reviews, and many say that the 2M is an excellent cartridge but doesn't do anything to "conceal" surface noise. Personally, I have added a new contender for my future choice of cartridge (in addition to 2M Black and AT150): the Nagaoka MP-500. |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 6:26pm
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Have a look at the recommended stylus replacement time on the MP-500 The 2M Black is working very well. I have read reviews that it suffers from surface noise, so clean records would help. However, it drags out loads of detail from the vinyl. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 9:41pm
I have read about that. Don't know if they are just over-zealous, of it's truly a realistic lifetime assessment... |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 10:01pm
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Personally, I yhink that they seem a little on the low side. Maybe 1000 hours would be more realistic. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 25 May 2014 at 11:08pm
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Yes, lets hope they do 1,000 - 2,000 hours. Otherwise we've got an even more expensive hobby! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 8:06am
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It must be said that the Nagaoka replacement stylus is much cheaper than the equivalent for the Ortofon Black... |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 11:49am
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Have a look arounfpd and you can find a 2M Black cartridge, cheaper than a replacement stylus. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 9:11pm
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I got my 2M Black replacement stylus from a German hifi-dealer on ebay. I paid
€350 for it, which I reckon is a good price. At least it's a good deal cheaper than the retail price for it here in
Sweden. Now I don't remember the name of the seller but anyone shopping around for a new stylus might do well to check out ebay.de as well ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 9:18pm
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I paid slightly more for a complete cartridge. Have a look on Amazon.fr ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 9:36pm
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Just did. €372.88 is a fridging bargain for a 2M Black cartridge! ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 9:53pm
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I paid €27 more. Unfortunately, no stock at the moment though. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 27 May 2014 at 9:08pm
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On packing the Ortofon 2M Black for the Roadshow the stylus guard broke in two. Let's hope it survived the journey. ------------- That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps |
Posted By: suede
Date Posted: 27 May 2014 at 10:45pm
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Been there myself with the 2M Black and I know the frustration and worry
too well. The design of the 2M guard with its awkward angle fastening
on the underside of the cartridge is genuine facepalm material. ------------- Proprius, Reflex M, Solo UL, Bitzie, CuSats & Spatia --------------------------------- Johan |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 12:20pm
Yep me too... ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 1:08pm
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Thanks to CageyH's suggestion, I ordered the 2M Black from Amazon.fr at that killer price even if it was "temporary out of stock, expect 1-2 months for delivery" (which is Amazon's usual way of saying "forget it")... Well, today I received an email from Amazon saying that they are very hopeful to deliver it before expected, on June 4th! Oh, well, for that price it might very well be worth experimenting personally! If I don't like it, I can always resell it without losing... I do wonder anyway how they can offer it at a price which is approximately discounted 33% compared to the lowest other prices I have seen around (including other local Amazon websites)... and almost 50% compared to the average street price in many countries. |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 2:58pm
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I received my half-priced Ortofon 2M Black today. Installation of the screws was very easy, much easier than with the AT440MLa. Alignment with the Technics overhang gauge (I was sceptical, but it seems to give good results, and I am learning to trust it better than the various 2-point protractors), then a quick spin of the Hi-Fi News test records. All seems well, tracking a hair worse than the AT440MLa on the most difficult tracks (but the suspension still has to break in!), but can't complain at all. Now playing The White Stripes "Icky Thump". Holy cow! Tight, punch, powerful but clean bass! I never considered the AT440MLa particularly bright when broken in, but the 2M Black truly seems more controlled/less ringing on splashing cymbals. I don't notice particularly evident surface noise compared to the Audio Technica. I would suggest grabbing this bargain (375 EUR!) before Amazon.fr wakes up and raises the price to make it comparable to the ones of other sellers worldwide! |
Posted By: Lucabeer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 3:19pm
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Oh, and by the way: I got the normal version, not the PnP one. With the standard Technics headshell, no need for the extra counterweight, so the Technics headshell is definitely lighter than the one provided by Ortofon for their PnP carts. |
Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 4:56pm
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I am glad it came through for you. I thought it was a bit of a bargain when I bought mine, but for the price to be lowered again is just ridiculous. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 5:01pm
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The 2M Black has been my only cartridge for more than 2 years and I have been extremely happy with it. However, by comparison at the Roadshow last week, I must admit that the AT150ANV did sound a little more refined at the extreme top end and I may seek one out if it's still available when I visit the USA in a couple of months. In every other respect they sounded remarkably close
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Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 5:10pm
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Looking at the price difference, I am going to enjoy the 2M Black for a while. ------------- Kevin European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France. Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ |
Posted By: Phil Bishop
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:40pm
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Chaps, Just thought I would add my twopennyworth here. I have been using Ortofon's 2M Red and Blue with my Technics Sl1200MkII but have found the PnP versions hopeless because of a lack of azimuth adjustment. I have therefore given up on the PnP versions. In fairness to Ortofon, they do say you need the additional counterweight for the Technics arm. The standard 2M Red or Blue can be mounted in a standard Technics headshell and balanced out without additional counterweight. I have now taken the cartridges out of the PnP headshells and mounted in Sumiko HS-12 headshells which give a similar overall weight but allow azimuth adjustment. I did not think the 2M Blue stylus was compatible with Bronze or Black cartridges which are a different design? Cheers Phil
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:56pm
------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: 16s
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 10:06pm
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I do exactly the same thing as I also own both 2m blue and black. When all said and done I love the detail the Black is capable of presenting (but I agree the AT150 did sound very nice/sweeter in Aylesbury ) ------------- Rich Michell Gyrodec SE, Michell Tecnoarm, Ortofon 2M Black, Systemdek IIx 900, RB300, 2M Blue, Rega Fono mkII |
Posted By: Phil Bishop
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 10:23pm
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Thanks for that info chaps. I have to say the Ortofons have restored my faith in vinyl replay. I have a RP6 which sounded way to warm and safe with the Rega Exact - I sounds lively, sweet and detailed with the 2M Blue. Likewise, the Red and Blue sound great on my SL1200 to my ears. I may try a Bronze at some point but at the moment I'm just enjoying the Red and Blue. Cheers Phil
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Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 3:29pm
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Your experience with the Exact sounds familiar Phil. A friend and I were auditioning the RP6 in 2012 at our local dealer and we both felt it sounded far too 'safe' with the Rega cartridge. I had already asked the dealer to fit a 2M Black for comparison and this transformed the TT into a lively and exciting performer. The 2Ms seem to complement the RP6 very well. I have just received an Audiomods Series 5 arm which I will be fitting to mine when I get home on Sunday (RP6/2M Black) ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: Phil Bishop
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 9:34pm
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Hi Andrew, Rega cartridges seem to rather let the show down to me. Not only did I feel the sound was disappointing but I also had several faulty ones. I think Rega need to up their act a bit on the cartridge front. Some people seem to suggest the Ortofons are a bit bright and forward but I think they are just right. I love them on both my RP6 and SL1200MkII. It's just the PnP versions I could not get on with. Cheers Phil
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