Inner sleeves.
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Topic: Inner sleeves.
Posted By: ICL1P
Subject: Inner sleeves.
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 10:53pm
What does anyone use? I've been using Goldring Exstatic, but they do seem a bit big for some outers. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Fatmangolf wrote:Replies:
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 9:16am
As well as my local indie shop, I and my mates use a company called Covers33 (http://covers33.co.uk) - free delivery too. These fit all the record sleeves I have tried and are good value
Black also available, bit more expensive (I have no affiliation to the above, just trying to share with fellow GS Forumeers !) ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 9:31am
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I see my current pack of inner sleeves is from Nitty Gritty. These are good quality and a good fit. ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 10:44am
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Posted By: Bi-wire
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 12:07pm
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I use Goldring Exstatic if I want to replace the whole inner and Nagaoka 102s if I just want to replace the anti-static liner, although I sometimes have to modify this approach depending on how tight the outer sleeve is - as has been said, the Goldrings are quite bulky. ------------- Peter Satisfied user of: Revelation M, PSU1-Enigma, Solo SRGII and lots of CuSat50 |
Posted By: Suggs
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 12:23pm
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Nagaoka 102's for me also, usually straight into the old liner sleeve...squeaky clean
------------- Derek |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 2:03pm
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Is it just me that finds that new 180/200gm pressings are often heavily static charged and stick to the original paper sleeve, pulling out first time with debris often already energised onto their surfaces? Very annoying and just putting them in a lined sleeve won't solve that Using a carbon brush doesn't stop some of this being audible either and if you believe all that stuff about huge temperatures at the stylus tip bonding dust/debris to the vinyl, for me its safer to RCM clean properly first before slipping them into a lined sleeve. Why spend all this hard earned cash on HiFi without taking a little extra time to get the best from the medium? Having said all this, I notice that surface noise using my Reflex phono is lower than the former Rega which is a good thing  ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 3:37pm
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 3:42pm
Definitely to be avoided. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Suggs
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:20pm
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[/QUOTE]I've accidentally discovered how to maximise static. Take brand new Jethro Tull 180g vinyl and play side one on Technics SL-7. At end of side flip the disc, but don't play it because there's something to watch on the tele. Leave record, with TT still powered up, for two days. Open the cover to find more accumulated dust stuck to the record that one would believe possible. Definitely to be avoided.[/QUOTE] It's Ian Anderson's built-in curse for watching TV instead of listening to Tull  ------------- Derek |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:30pm
------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:35pm
------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:38pm
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 5:40pm
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 6:28pm
Yikes! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 6:29pm
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I use a nameless Nagaoka 102 clone for mine and flex the inner sleeve/liner before pulling out the LP. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 7:35pm
------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 10:57pm
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Spirits of ancient Egypt? More likely it's all the airborne stuff we don't notice until it gathers as fluff. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 11:32pm
------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 9:07am
It's quite noticeable how, on some brand new records, you can pull them out of their (horrible paper) inner sleeve for the very first time and doing a carbon-brush sweep on them find you have an enormous line of dust waiting for the sticky roller treatment. It can't all be attracted by static in the 5 seconds between sleeve and brushing - can it?  ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 9:58am
My records are suffering dreadfully from static at present and I don't really no why. The house is certainly particularly dusty at present, but should that in itself make the records more charged? After cleaning with carbon fibre brush followed by Nagaoka roller there's a dreadful crackly noise as the record discharges to the stylus as I prepare to lower the tonearm. ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 11:13am
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I can suggest a few things that I have
tried to help with this problem, anyone who has seen some of my other threads
probably realises by now that I am a bit fussy. (records seem to sound better
with the anorak hood down though....
7. Use a grounded antistatic record cleaning arm. I tried one but found that you can hear a form of music playing at very low level from the surface of the record and this may be picked up by the stylus
Some people even go as far as expensive static demagnetisers used in the packaging industry. That’s a step too far even for someone like me…. ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
)Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 1:50pm
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I normally find a carbon-fibre brush and a sticky roller are perfectly adequate for me (and the lid down too - though on the Technics parallel trackers they only work closed of course). But in the past I've used an antistatic, grounded arm - how effective it actually was I'm not sure, though I didn't perceive any deterioration of sound quality when it was being used. Many, many moons ago, on my Garrard SP25 I used a Watts Dust Bug, and the felt roller on this swept up many tons of debris over the years. I even used a foam-like cloth thingy called EMITEX for a bit, though that must have been inducing static while pushing dust further into the grooves.  ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: ICL1P
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 3:03pm
Thanks Andrew. Like Bob I currently make do with a carbon fibre brush and a sticky roller (Nagaoka), though I do intend, one day, to buy a Brazilian vacuum RCM. I also use a carbon fibre stylus brush and one of those gel polymer things for dipping the stylus in to. It's only recently that the static seems to have become so bad. I don't really hear it once the record has discharged through the stylus, but maybe it would be much more obvious if I weren't using a Slee phono stage. I've not tried any of your earthing ideas. Something to try. How does everyone else use their carbon fibre brushes? Record on or off the platter, and if on spinning or not? ------------- Ifor ===== Reflex M & ACCESSION M, CuSat50, Majestic DAC, a Proprius pair. |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 3:35pm
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I use my brush with the record on the platter - spinning by hand if one of the Technics' decks, otherwise have the platter rotating if the Sony. If I think there's a lot of static around I shoot it with the ZeroStat (go through the motions, at least!) before closing the lid. (All my TTs are auto, with me being inherently lazy . . ). ------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 3:55pm
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When my kids twenty-something buddies hear static, dust or crackling on a record they think it's 'cool'. The Young generation seem to love all this retro stuff with the sound of vinyl - in fact one of them never buys CD, only LP's. ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: morris_minor
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 4:22pm
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It's a bit like the photo/video effects for "old fashioned" photos or movies that have been in Photoshop or After Effects for years that are now in Instagram for your faded/grainy/dusty/torn-edges look. I think my wave editor has a plug in to give the "authentic" vinyl effect. I was playing a couple of tracks the other day with vinyl noise added for atmosphere . . .
------------- Bob Majestic DAC/pre-amp Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50 2 x Proprius + Spatia/Spatia Links |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 4:55pm
Yes Bob.... maybe eating a bowl of Rice Crispies or a bag of crisps would have the same effect whilst listening? Fulfils two pleasures at once  ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 8:02pm
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I use a Zero-stat gun immediately after stopping the vacuum/drier on my Okki Nokki and before/after playing a side. It does help, there's much more dust without it. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 2:00pm
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I can honestly say that I have never been bothered by static (to the best of my knowledge) other than occasionally when lifting an album after playing a side get some mild static cracking between mat and album. Have always found sound better with lid up. Back to the sleeves. I have never used anything other than stock paper, thin cardboard or occasional poly. My records have never really come out dirty albeit some light dust from time the time. Are there any real benefits from a care of vinyl point of view given I am Lucky not to be afflicted by dust or vinyl? I have been sonic cleaning my collection over recent months also. Any thoughts welcome. |
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 2:03pm
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Ps wonder if either certain carpet materials may compound (mine are wool) or the materials on the deck? Other than the knobs I am not aware of any plastic on the deck and acrylic lid. May was rubber but has been Achromat for a number of years. |
Posted By: Drewan77
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:26pm
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You are fortunate Richard - I need to play with the lid closed because my music room is rather cluttered and a pain to dust effectively. The consequence is build up of static during playing, I guess that vinyl rotating in proximity to the acrylic may cause this. It's only alleviated on new LPs by using a cork spotmat or Furutech De-stat device. In my case, plastic inner sleeves also protect from scratches that could be caused by 'debris' after play (better than card or paper would). ------------- Older than I once was, younger than I'll be ............................. Andrew |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 7:01pm
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I use Moth antistatic sleeves and have the lid down for the same reasons as Andrew. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 7:04pm
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Many thanks. A little more reading has suggested that materials do (or can) impact on the vinyl itself certain poly bags and paper. There do appear a number of types HDPE appear well regarded. Not sure how true these points are. Logic suggests a paper sleeve will allow air to circulate through the open edge and round the label in a few cases also. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 8:19pm
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Yes I would avoid some of the plastic sleeve covers for that reason. Not diagreeing on your compositional theory about paper inner sleeves being better than plastic, dust could enter through this circulation this way could it not? ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 4:17pm
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what sleeve liners did you get? I use Original Master Sleeves and I find them OK, a bit on the expensive side, but I've been using them for years now. they did go up in price by quite a bit last year (I think) but I find they do a good job, the record slips out and in of them nice and easy. All my vinyl is in them now and I don't think I'll be changing brands anytime soon. I have also got a few of their (MoTi) LPs and they have been vary good quality. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 4:23pm
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Cheap ones! Spincare is the name on the pack, Jon. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 8:06pm
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the only draw back with the ones I use is they can a bit too big to slip back into the album cover and the corners crease up, they seem to be popular with audiophiles but like I said a bit on the expensive side at around £30 for fifty. I was just wondering weather there was a cheaper option. But saying that just been watching on youtube this man puts his on the outside of the record cover between his outer sleeves, just may start doing that. He does it to stop wear & tear on his album cover, As some of his records in his collection are worth hundreds of ££. I don't have any worth that much. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 9:39pm
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Yes that adds complications like what to do with the oirginal inner sleeve, I use the Moth 'Nagaoka' style LP inner sleeves from my local hifi shop. They are thin plastic antistatic type and fit inside the paper inner sleeves. I pay 30-40p each depending on the quantity bought. Unlike your friend I don't put those outer sleeves over the LP covers but found them quite helpful for singles' sleeves which are often thin paper. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: TimW
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 8:51pm
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Jonathan, I use the Tonar Nostatic inner sleeves. They’ve got a rounded bottom so are easy to slide into the LP cover without creasing. I get them from Juno. They’re £16 for 50 with delivery included. Juno are always quick with delivery as well. Tim ------------- L*nn LP12, Jelco 750D, AT440MLb / Technics 1200 MKII (Various Carts) / GS Gram Amp 2 SE / Audiolab and Arcam Amplification / Mission 752 Freedom / Dynaudio Audience 42 |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 12:48pm
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Thanks for the tip Tim. I'll try them out. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 1:01pm
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Good stuff. I'm going to split the posts about inner sleeves into a separate topic as rhe information may help others and isn't about the SL-7. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 2:02pm
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Jon A good place for it is the one post I started called HiFi tips, I think it best to split it up as you said. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 4:31pm
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Even better I moved them into an existing thread about inner sleeves. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 5:14pm
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Jon I didn't know about this thread. did not think to search for it. I'm going to have a look to see what others are using ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 5:18pm
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1st page I look at has a post from me can't believe it. Hell my memory is crap. I think I have had too much beers today which is probably more to do with it ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 7:31pm
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A lot of wise and generous people have shared good ideas over the years on this forum, but it's always fun to read your own posts from the past or indeed to remember the answer to a question I'd forgotten I asked. Yes that is from a song. And I've been reading a number of posts about linear tracking turntables from a decade ago that are very helpful to me now. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Godra
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:14pm
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You can purchase top quality inner and outer sleeves from Canada. Check Vinyl Storage Solutions. I was using MOFI inner sleeves, but now I am using those rice paper one from Vinyl Storage (3 mil one). They really a great and less expensive. The downside his that there sleeves are so popular that they are often back-order and it can take months to receive them. ------------- Clearaudio Performance DC with Clarify tonearm + Virtuoso V2, Tannoy Legacy Eaton, Accession MM and BAT VK300Xse |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 1:43pm
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I was talking to a mate last night about inner sleeves when this man came over after over hearing us talking and said, What really annoys me is when buying new vinyl they persist in still putting the records in paper sleeves you pay enough for records now a days you'd think they would put a decent sleeve in. he is right. He also said I too MOFI and find the same problem as you with the ends creasing. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: BAK
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 2:11pm
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"He also said I too MOFI and find the same problem as you with the ends creasing." Me too! ------------- Bruce AT-14SA, Pickering XV-15, Hana EL, Technics SL-1600MK2, Lautus, Majestic DAC, Technics SH-8055 spectrum analyzer, Eminence Beta8A custom cabs; Proprius & Reflex M or C, Enjoy Life your way! |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 5:10pm
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I was going to start putting the vinyl inner sleeve on the outside in between the outer sleeve and the LP cover but I didn't think it offed the best protection. I had seen this on youtube this man was doing it to stop wear and tear on his LP covers. One person on this forum did suggest some from Juno which have a round bottom and they are 1/2 the price for 50 so I'm going to give them a try. This man I was talking to last night had tried out a lot of inner sleeves and always went back to MOFI, We couldn't talk long as there was a live band in the pub (called Outlander) It was a vary good night out with bloody good music. I have seen them 4 or 5 times before and they always play something different. The landlord gave them their first gig ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 7:12pm
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Maybe it's just me that does this. When I use the Mofi inner sleeves I don't put them inside the original inner sleeve which I insert separately into the album cover like a lyric sheet. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2021 at 11:03am
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I think that Jon (Fatmangolf) may have mentioned these but I have just trying these on my less favourite purchases , from spincare https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Premium-Static-Record-Sleeves/dp/B00KDFNHMU/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3TLPDB0B08N04&dchild=1&keywords=spincare+inner+sleeves&qid=1630490335&sprefix=spincare+inner%2Cmi%2C187&sr=8-7 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Premium-Static-Record-Sleeves/dp/B00KDFNHMU/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3TLPDB0B08N04&dchild=1&keywords=spincare+inner+sleeves&qid=1630490335&sprefix=spincare+inner%2Cmi%2C187&sr=8-7 I previously used extortionate nagoka. ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2021 at 7:39pm
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Steve The ones you have previously used seemed to be around the same price as the MOFI. price checked on A---on. Spincare Dynamic seem popular, these are around 1/2 the price. But as the saying goes better the devil you know and I still have about 25 left of the MOFI to use. the trouble is there are so many out there and at different prices it's hard to find ones that are of the same quality of the MOFI. Still like you said I could always use them on my less favourite LPs. One thing we all agree on is that paper ones are BAD. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2021 at 8:43pm
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I think they are good for my seven inch singles and just got some more. I'm working my way through the singles cleaning and rebagging them. So far so good. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 5:27pm
THey are slightly thicker than my previous Nagoka inners. I got a good deal for a coouple of hundred+ MoFi sleeves and I tend to operate as follows. New Record plain white sleave then replace with MoFi and put the white sleeve in box in a garage. Old Record with a mouldy or damage or badly stained white sleeve is replaced by a MoFi Old Record with some markings that will excite Discogs buyer (not that I sell) Cheaper Sleeve ANy sort of non white sleeve (new or a classic record) then Nagaoka as these do tend to slip nicely in to an existing sleeve. I will just add this thread has caused someproblems at home, it seems some of my my records are upset to learn that I have 'favourites'.
 ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 6:57pm
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I have started put the MOFI into the inner sleeve that came with the record if they have artwork or record info on them (But like I said they do crease) this is the reason I will be going round bottom on the next ones I try (I could put the artwork, info sleeve between the album cover and outer sleeve) I'll let you know what outer sleeves I use as I never can remember what I use but they are good and the record cover does not stick to them or rip, when next time I'm on am--n and have a look on back orders. I do like to keep the covers in the same condition as they came to me. What I do is put the open end into the outer sleeve so that I can read what album it is with out having to take out the record from my stacking shelfs, this is the only down side to these outer sleeves they do have a seam along all three side of them. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2021 at 6:54pm
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I'm still cleaning 7 inch singles and like the inner sleeves I can get now. Last time I tried single cleaning was with an Okki Nokki and I couldn't find any affordable inner sleeves back then. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 3:51pm
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A mate went to a car boot sale today and came back with Original Master sleeves unused still in their sealed packet for £2 and gave them to me. WHAT A BARGAIN ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 6:40pm
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Result! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 7:01pm
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I was going to change brand but now I have 60+ I'll stick with them, better the devil you know as the saying goes. They are good quality it was just the price that was making me think of changing. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 8:14pm
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They are my preferred inner sleeves too. The slimmer rounded anti-static sleeves have the advantage of fitting inside the original paper inner sleeves which is a practical consideration as much as their lower price. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 8:19pm
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my mate said that the bloke that sold them (OMS) to him knew what they were worth but every thing he had was priced to sell today and what didn't sell was going to the rubbish tip because it was stuff that the charity shop didn't wont. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Bonzo
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 4:23pm
[QUOTE=Drewan77]As well as my local indie shop, I and my mates use a company called Covers33 ( http://covers33.co.uk - http://covers33.co.uk ) - free delivery too. These fit all the record sleeves I have tried and are good value
Black also available, bit more expensive (I have no affiliation to the above, just trying to share with fellow GS Forumeers !) On the strength of Drewan 77's recommendation I ordered a 100, price has gone up but I agree they're good value. I've even ordered another pack. (I've no affiliation to this company glad I took the recommendation).
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 6:51pm
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We will all probably agree paper only ones are bad, I do prefer just polyethylene ones as I can put them into the original inner sleeves but the ones I've got are now £38 for 50, when I first started buying them they were well under £30, I think if I'm correct they have jumped up in price over the last few years. To me these are now not good value and are well over priced. I will soon be looking at alternatives. I am soon going to have to buy more outer sleeves but I can't remember who made the ones I've got. I like them as the album cover doesn't stick to insides. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 7:17pm
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Bloody hell. The price I quoted was on amazon just had a look on Juno Records and they have them at £26, talk about shopping around, that's a big difference. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Bonzo
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 7:59pm
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The polylined Inners I've bought/ordered are £25 for 100 and they fit nicely inside all the original inners that have lyrics/photos, the plain paper ones I recycle. I did use outer sleeves a long time ago but found they split with age or overuse or they stuck to the LP sleeve so I gave it up as a bad idea.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 8:23pm
The outer sleeve I have are OK but as you said, I too have had some that have split. It's a bit of a trade off, the thick ones will last longer but the album covers stick inside (sort of defeats the object) where as the thin don't or at lest the ones I have don't. I would buy them again but as I said I don't know what make they are. I was reading a review on one that may fit my needs and this bloke said he didn't like them as the album slips out of the outer sleeves too easily, to me he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, does he wont the album cover to stick to them ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 8:42pm
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I use the thin inner liners and like the same thing, keeping the original inner sleeve, especially when it has lyrics and/or artwork. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 10:30pm
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That's what I like to do but I put my inner sleeves in side the original sleeve if possibly. The plain paper ones I recycle or cut them up then their good for taking notes or what ever, unless there black ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 10:04pm
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I like the thin antistatic ones for that reason and keep some square Mofi ones when the original paper sleeve is too small. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 26 May 2022 at 8:43pm
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I've used a lot of different types and brands. My personal preference is for the MOFI style ones, though if a new record comes with a polylined or anti-static type plastic sleeve I will often just use that. Don't like paper or cardstock type inners as they shed and scratch records over time IME. Anything packaged like that and I transfer the records to the MOFI or AS types. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM610 MONO, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: TheScorpionsTale
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 3:30pm
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I've been using some anti-static lined sleeves from Analogue Works, fairly cheap and cheerful I think they originated from Germany. Pre-pandemic I used to pick some up at an annual audio show (and they were available online) but now they seem to have disappeared. I'm going in to one of our local record shops tomorrow, so will see what's on offer there if anything. I don't keep the paper or card sleeves records arrive in unless they're printed and part of the 'package', but I still put the record into a new lined sleeve. As you say David, paper being fibrous it sheds dust constantly unless sealed or laminated, and is abrasive. ------------- Graham SL1200 II with SME M2-9R and various carts / Revelation M with PSU-1 / Cyrus amp, CD and streamer / Kralk Audio BC30-3 Floorstanders / Bitzie and Lautus USB |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2022 at 7:33pm
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I'm just got Nagaoka anti-static inner sleeves, the one's with the round bottoms, 50 for £22, about £6 cheaper than Original master sleeves I've been using. They look to be made of the same material but where as the OMS have a thin piece of paper to give a bit ridgity to them these do not but they do seem to be more suited to go inside the inner sleeves that come with the record which is what I do, I don't think they will crease up like the OMS sometimes do. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2022 at 7:39pm
I used to use those thin round bottom types (many companies sell them) a lot before my supplier here in the U.S. started having QC problems a few years ago. They didn't make them but had them made by a factory offshore. In any case, they do work well for inserting into printed inner sleeves and cardstock inner sleeves. You can also use them in conjunction with plain paper inner sleeves if you want. I'm now using a weird brand of inners that are similar to the OMS which themselves were just a knockoff of VRP (IIRC) from the 80s. They do work fine with most jackets but some undersized jackets can be troublesome. ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM610 MONO, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2022 at 7:57pm
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David Your bit on undersized jackets can be troublesome is something I can agree on with you, Which is sometimes a problem I was having with OMS, This is where the creasing problems come that I have been having so maybe with the round bottoms this will help. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2022 at 9:18pm
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The thin round bottom ones are flimsy I agree. Even used inside the original inner sleeve they require careful handling or they can crumple. But they are cheap and effective 99% of the time ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: ServerBaboon
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2022 at 1:25am
i use these when the sleeve is more than plan plain white and some mofi square ones when they are just plain white card and can be replaced. As Jon says the Nagoka ones still need care when inserting as they definitely crumple but they are my current favourite. ------------- Steve ------------- Various bits of GSP Kit ..well two so far, unless you count the cables that is. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2022 at 8:59am
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I use the square Mofi just like Steve does. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |