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jmiguelbarone
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Hi! I hope you're doing well in this weird times.
I want to know about experiences with passive stereo preamps and GS MM phono. What preamplifier input impedance works? What range in voltage output from cartridges it's better? Ok, let me know what do you think about it. Thanks and regards. |
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Fatmangolf
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Before I got a Majestic I built a passive stereo preamp to go between my Reflex M, DAC, and Proprius amps. It has a 6-way switch and a 10k pot, this worked reasonably well with all those devices. I also included an on-off-on switch that offered the main output, a fixed output to my Solo Ultralinear and a central mute position. I tried the main amp output feeding out to some active speakers and to another amplifier. All seemed to work well enough but there are limitations to the cheap passive preamp or 'pot in a box.' Hope this helps you Miguel. |
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Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
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jmiguelbarone
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Of course it helps ... thanks for your time.
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Graham Slee
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The main objection to passive preamps is that they have a large "driving impedance."
They tend to be best matched with valved amplifiers, which have a high input impedance. When used with a solid-state amplifier, its input capacitance, which is essential to prevent slewing distortion (after Otala), joins with the large driving impedance to form a high-frequency filter. It might therefore result in some loss in how "lively" the sound is. Some call this a loss of dynamics, but it is better stated as being soft on transients. Some may prefer the laid-back signature, but how laid back will it be? If it is a "pot in a box," and that is all it is, then the worst driving impedance occurs at the potentiometer's electrical midpoint and on an audio taper volume control pot that appears at the 3 pm setting (approx.). It is where the resistance on either side of the wiper is half the pot's value. Using Kirchhoff's circuit laws, looking out from the power amp's input, both resistances are seen as being in parallel, and so the worst driving impedance is one-quarter of the pot's value. If 20k, then the driving impedance is 5k. This assumes the driving impedance of the source selected on the passive preamp is suitably low. If set to say 11 am or 12 o'clock position, the bottom half of the pot is lower resistance, and it appears in parallel with the higher resistance of the upper half. By calculation, it can be seen that any other setting than the electrical midpoint results in a smaller driving impedance. In other words, it is less of a problem at normal listening levels. Using my 70's power amp circuit as an example, it has 10k of its own input resistance as part of a low pass filter with 440pf of capacitance, so it cuts at 36kHz. If I add 5k of resistance - making 15k - then it cuts at 24kHz. That might be audibly acceptable. I designed it to be so. However, other power amplifiers might use smaller resistances and larger capacitances, meaning the cut frequency might venture into the audible spectrum. Another thing to watch is interconnect length and interconnect capacitance, which also acts as a low pass filter. A passive, provided it is not very expensive, can be considered a starting point. |
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Sylvain
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.......A passive, provided it is not very expensive, can be considered a starting point....
I sought to blame the electronic Volume control of my DAC and it's huge 2.8V output to less than expected of transient dynamics. I have resorted to build a passive Pre Amp, a Shunt design Step Attenuator exebiting an expensive 10K resistor on the signal track. I am still building but Hope it does not disappoint with ''dynamics'!! on the Proprius. |
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jmiguelbarone
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Thanks, it's really good that someone with your experience gives me their opinion. |
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Aussie Mick
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Hi,
I’m driving Proprius amps direct from my Accession in an all vinyl system. However, when I want to add more sources (parties, family gatherings and the like), I use an English made passive preamp by Townshend. It gives plenty of level from digital in the 11-1 o’clock positions. For vinyl I move to 12-3 o’clock on the volume, but I use a .25mV cartridge, the Rega Apheta 2. It sounds great. Mick.
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