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    Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:08pm
Dear Graham Slee Team

I have just ordered a Reflex M from the nice guys at PhonoPhono Berlin. But it took me a while. Why? Because I am not sure it is the right choice. Will it fit into my chain? Will I like the sound?

Now I can, in theory, test the device and return it within two weeks if I do not like it. This is the law in Germany, very advantageous for consumers. However it will not help. Having read Graham's excellent article on burning in devices, it will take at least three weeks before the Reflex will reveal its true quality.

Therefore the following idea: could gsp not offer burned-in devices for a premium? I for my part would be happy to pay 10%-20% more for a device that has already been burned in, so I can enjoy - and assess - its true quality right from the start. 

It is like good wine dealers: you can buy a young wine or you can choose an older, more refined vintage of the same wine for a premium.

What do other forum members think of the idea?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kgilroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:24pm
Graham Slee has a great loaner program that you could use instead to evaluate the Reflex before committing to purchase.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Graham Slee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by GoetzSB GoetzSB wrote:

...it will take at least three weeks before the Reflex will reveal its true quality.

Use it for 10 days straight, left on even when not playing, and then switch back to your existing stage. You will then know what to do.
Not simple enough for Google-Bot to understand...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CageyH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 5:55pm
The Reflex M on the European loaner scheme has been well and truly run in.
I am happy to help if you want to borrow something.
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Time left powered on is part of the "burn-in" process. After quite a bit of use from new, the electronics improve from their "brand new state" but will not stay in their optimum state once powered down for a considerable period of time and will have to be powered up again for some time until they return to the optimum state. It's based on capacitor charging/discharging and stored energy held within the electronic components. I would envisage that they could influence impulse/phase response and distortion audible in signal reproduction.

From new, the electronics probably takes a few weeks to reach optimum charged stable state but after this period has passed, the power-on period needed to restore the charged stable state is probably reduced to a few days, depending on how long the electronics have been off.
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Burn in and warm up is still questioned by some of the more assertive & vocal sections of the hifi
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Do they have ears?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BackinBlack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by RichW RichW wrote:

Burn in and warm up is still questioned by some of the more assertive & vocal sections of the hifi
'fraternity'.
Do they have ears?


No, just ill founded and overbearing opinions.

As to the question of pre-burned in equipment, I would rather hear the burn in process for myself. It's all a part of the enjoyment of our pastime. The loan scheme equipment provides the opportunity to hear burnt in units with no obligations, apart from returning it, that is.

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