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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 5:08pm
The final transducer of the audio system (speakers or headphones) gets my vote as the biggest determinant of the end result. The physical qualities of what is mechanically producing the sound is of course really important. Although the source file/vinyl etc needs to be well mastered and well produced as well otherwise it's a completely wasted effort. Everything inbetween is about maintaining the integrity of the signal and making it bigger. It's still important too but not usually quite so influential as the start and end of the chain, assuming the "inbetween" is at least mediocre in ability.

For example, I would personally get more enjoyment listening to well mastered WAV files on a computer with a HD800 headphone out of my laptop headphone socket than listening to those same WAV files with a ATH-M50 headphone via a Bitzie or Solo ULDE.

I'd also rather listen to well mastered higher bitrate mp3 out of a HD800 than listening to the same tracks as FLAC or WAV played through a ATH-M50.

Another scenario is if I were a vinyl guy, I wouldn't bother using an Accession phono stage if my stylus/cartridge is crap. I'd rather use something like a Genera with a capable cartridge assembly.

Just examples of how I personally look at it. For a system with a mediocre but acceptable entirety, I prize the components in the following order.

1. Ability of headphone or speaker
2. Origin of the signal
3. Amplification/power requirement
4. Digital to analogue conversion
5. Interconnects and power supplies

This isn't strictly correct but this is how I look at it as an importance hierarchy.


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Oooofff & ouch! 

Accidentally poked the bear here. 

I really should use more emoticons. 🙄

I have no agenda. I worked in a HiFi shop when I was 16 way back in the 90s. 

I seek only knowledge. 🙏🏼
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It's OK, Ash isn't really a bear LOL

(actually I get on fine with him Wink)

That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 9:59pm
and just to reassure...

Graham Slee electronics makes everything sound better.

and so it should. He's been studying all this stuff for decades so is surely the closest to a specialist that you can get. It's great to have an electromechanical expert like him as there is a lot of intellectual bollocks to sift through on the internet.
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Well tonight the HiFi stars have aligned. 
The “duff” speakers are sounding sweet. 
Thinking today’s mod plus a few beverages 
have cured many ills. 

Very well mastered newish vinyl mind you. 
I could quite easily be spitting vitriol right now had I gone for an older record. 

Takes no damn prisoners this system. 

Quitting while I’m ahead. 

However, I stand by my earlier bi wiring comments. 
Snake oil & muggery. 

Pish tosh I say!

Why have Focal & PMC gone back to single pairs of binding posts?

Really, why??
Can’t bi or tri amp those can you??
Could still bi wire them tho. Just make both ends of the cables the same 😆😆😆



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Originally posted by Richardl60 Richardl60 wrote:

yes undertook extensive listening between single and bi wired runs of the same type before reaching my own conclusions.  I am not sure what cables or equipment you tried in your hi fi shop but the cables you are using would appear More at the budget end of the market and given your shop experiences surprised you ended up with speakers by your own admission are letting the side down and too bright and are seeking guidance and advice?

Hopefully we all buy our hardware after extensive listening to meet our needs, ears and budgets and this is where Graham's excellent loan scheme works exteremly well. 

personally I wouldn't wish to spend say over £20k on a pair or bryston 1kw mono blocks driving a £500 pair of speakers I do not believe this is likely to provide ME with satisfying results. I agree that spend should have a degree of balance albeit likely biased to a degree to source components, though that will depend on the price points we are looking at and perhaps once at a high level of source performance will allow other components to be enhanced further down the chain including amps and speakers.


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Originally posted by Old skool Old skool wrote:

Originally posted by Richardl60 Richardl60 wrote:

yes undertook extensive listening between single and bi wired runs of the same type before reaching my own conclusions.  I am not sure what cables or equipment you tried in your hi fi shop but the cables you are using would appear More at the budget end of the market and given your shop experiences surprised you ended up with speakers by your own admission are letting the side down and too bright and are seeking guidance and advice?

Hopefully we all buy our hardware after extensive listening to meet our needs, ears and budgets and this is where Graham's excellent loan scheme works exteremly well. 

personally I wouldn't wish to spend say over £20k on a pair or bryston 1kw mono blocks driving a £500 pair of speakers I do not believe this is likely to provide ME with satisfying results. I agree that spend should have a degree of balance albeit likely biased to a degree to source components, though that will depend on the price points we are looking at and perhaps once at a high level of source performance will allow other components to be enhanced further down the chain including amps and speakers.




You misunderstand me Richard. 
I have been upgrading as my budget allows over time. 
Most of kit has been bought second hand. The speakers are left over from the previous older/cheaper system. 
Try asking someone on eBay if you can audition his speakers for a week then give them back if they’re not to your liking. 
Good for you if have the budget for new high end kit & can get things on loan from a dealer for extensive auditioning. 
The rest of us have to take an educated guess based on reviews & advice. 
I believed what I was told: that Arcam amps pair well with MA speakers & silver cables. 
They aren’t sh*te, just not as good in my opinion as some cheaper speakers that I own & maybe just not suited to my taste. 
Don’t insinuate that I should have known better. I did much research & I’m on a tight budget. 
You appear to have taken offence over my bi wiring comments. 
Sorry about that, be angry with the shop who sold them to you, not the guy who called it the snake oil which it is. 
Sorry if my tone offends. 
It’s only HiFi, there’s more important things going on in the world to get all wound up about. 
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