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As Mr Slee mention sub woofer. I have a little experience
like to share. Few years ago I had a pair Harbeth P3ES on my desk.
They were working with my computer system.
And one day I want to try a sub woofer. I found myself a
REL sub woofer, which is a 8" cone with a closed enclosure.
I put it under my desk and the performance was pretty good.

This setup can trick my ears to believe the bass is coming
from the Harbeths. The setup wasn't difficult.
I just find the right phase, and tune the cut off frequency intuitively.
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Thank you Cyreg and franklin. I had thought of getting the P3ES-2 but went to my pro supplier thinking it would be easier and faster... six weeks late and I'm running behind schedule, oh hum...

I thought I'd got the set up right then in wandered my 12 year old son Ryan. He spots invisible speakers for me...



"Invisible speakers" are reflections and Ryan's hearing must be like a bats! As you can see, he's searching for the reflection and it's coming from the flat screen monitors. He doesn't like reflections because they confuse the sound stage, and I don't either but it's harder for me to find them. Well done Ryan!

I now have to order some more Sonex tiles and I'll probably have to make screen covers or just prop a full one in front of the computer monitors when listening. Problems, problems. This is why I called this topic "I hate speakers". Wink
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Great photo and explanation as always. Very good hearing and love of music clearly runs in the family!

Helpful tip. Looking at the visual reflections can be helpful, try temporarily placing a plastic mirror or some foil on any matt surfaces to see if you can see a speaker in the reflection.
 
Graham, have you tried rotating the monitor away from the speakers? It may help to eliminate the reflection/invisible speaker without needing a screen cover which could still reflect midrange.
 
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