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Given that Arcam are (I think) a reputable company,this is what they say re the steps I intend to take.."If you are using a Delta 290,a Delta 290P can be added to bi-amplify a pair of bi-wireable loudspeakers. THIS WILL REAP SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS IN SOUND QUALITY i F THE FOLLOWING PRECAUTIONS ARE OBSERVED" etc etc...Would Arcam make a claim like that if no improvement was afforded?
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I'm surprised they didn't use the phrase "the differences are like night and day".
It could be hyperbole, or it might indeed be an accurate description of the improvement they heard with whichever brand of speakers they were using.
What did they cable their system up with, because that will have a bearing on things too.
A lot depends on the cabling you use - I've heard inappropriate cabling make a decent system sound broken.

A lot depends on your speakers and where the crossover points are.
If your tweeters are handling a lot of the upper midband then the difference could be staggering, if not then the difference will be less so.


Quote Would Arcam make a claim like that if no improvement was afforded?

It's unlikely, but the substantial bit could be overstating things a bit.
I'm not saying that it is, but it might.
They'd also sell a good few power amplifiers by making such claims.

The only way you're going to know whether or not it works for you is to try it.



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Proof of the pudding as they say:)
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I used to have an Arcam A85+P85 set up. I thought it was a bit better than just the integrated on it's own, but not massively so. Same applied to when I had a pair of Moth stereo 30's bi amping. I haven't been inclined to go the same route since - in fact I don't even bi-wire my speakers any more and I've been happy enough using an integrated for years. I suspect the performance gains of using true monoblocks (like the Proprius) are greater, but it's a little hard to quantify what amount is down to it being a monoblock, or what is down to it simply being a better amp full stop.

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I do biwire my speakers with Spatia cables (of course!) but in an older system some years ago I found biamping made little difference unless I was listening very loudly. If I had the money to spare I would love to bi-amp with another pair of Proprius amps, perhaps I should try this with the loan pair? The sound I get now with my two is much better than any previous amps I have tried and can go louder than I wish to listen!
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