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Semiconductor silicon is made using coal

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With respect to Mark Knopfler & all..
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We haven't changed since ancient times"
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David Davis MP "with Silicon Valley mega corporations as arbiters of the truth, anything that appears online and can be characterised by someone as misinformation could be censored. The chilling effect on free speech will be terrible."

At that time I expect to be told to comply with Intel's version.
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I lost a job because of it. That's all I can say as you don't know whose watching. (internet)
I have found another job and I'm happy there, I'm hoping to change jobs with in the company, more pay.


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We have laws on electrical safety, hazardous substances, electromagnetic emissions and immunity, energy using products etc., so why hide the fact that semiconductor grade silicon manufacture is a polluting industry? I'm just being a responsible manufacturer in making it clear that our products contain semiconductor grade silicon which is made using coal. It may be possible in the future to use a different fossil fuel.

Hexavalent chromium is banned because it is a hazardous substance. It was used to passivate aluminium, and gave it a yellowish finish. The end product contains absolutely no hexavalent chromium, and therefore, it is the manufacturing process that is considered hazardous, because hexavalent chromium is a pollutant.

Is the manufacturing process of semiconductor grade silicon also hazardous? The burning of coal with quartz at over 1100C in a "blast furnace" must emit plenty of pollutants, mustn't it? The burning of coal is toxic! Too toxic to burn at a much lower temperature to generate steam, but somehow OK to chemically react with quartz at far higher temperatures - first liberating the killer carbon monoxide gas, which is used in enrichment to semiconductor grade, turning it into CO2.

Virtually everybody on planet earth living above the poverty line, has at least one item containing semiconductor grade silicon. How much coal has been burned to produce the average persons silicon load? Multiply that by the number of people who own anything containing semiconductors. And when the product goes faulty, we replace it, or we're forced in some circumstances to buy a mobile phone even if we don't want one, or we are frozen out of online transactions for example, or entry to a venue due to Covid19 for another example. Kids are encouraged to live their lives in virtual reality, courtesy of silicon!

The solar farms, the solar grade silicon for hectares of solar panels to prevent the use of ??? Fossil fuels - such as coal - made using coal.

Coal is needed for semiconductors and solar panels. Being a finite substance, it's use for energy generation might use it all up - then we're stuck! Why not explain the truth?

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Even recycling is an energy intensive process.

Until people recognise the ins and outs of energy production, they won't appreciate what sacrifices are made to achieve it.

I still stand by my belief that electronic/plastic/nuclear waste is a far bigger problem than greenhouse gas emissions. Both are significant but the biggest difference is one has a natural cycle and the other one doesn't. You can leave nature to deal with CO2 and CH4 if we stop destroying nature and consume less but all the non-biodegradeable waste will be around for tens of thousands of years in landfill; what a great idea that was. Bury it and hope it goes away.

As electronics manufacture/disposal is so polluting, both in terms of emissions and waste, perhaps manufacturers need to be encouraged to make all products as modular as possible, so that only components that have reached the end of their working life have to be scrapped, and not the entire product!! It would allow people to repair and reuse.
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You can make glass out of sand, for valves, although you still need a furnace of some sort. You also need the metals and the pinch of barium used to burn up all the remaining oxygen (can you see its little cup? you can see the "silvering" it leaves behind). You also need plenty of copper and iron for the essential peripherals of power transformer, power choke and output transformer (and wiring - and contacts etc.). The production of such metals uses fossil fuels. With iron it's coke (from coal - not the drug or drink), and limestone, not forgetting iron ore. Similar setup for copper (except it isn't iron). They taught this kind of stuff in geography and physics with chemistry, when I was at school (in Yorkshire - a comprehensive). In Engineering Science at the technical college, we learnt about the three laws of thermo-dynamics, to be able to know how and why they work. Surely today's university educated generations are better than this? So why do they know now't?!

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