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Originally posted by Sylvain Sylvain wrote:

Truly appreciate your guidance but between the mathematics and formulas and technical expressions ...
i value the information but this spectator audience is a mere mortal.......and I chose to paint by numbers at least I have something at the end ....


Sylvain, may I point you at the Reckoning of Time, by the venerable Bede;

"Should someone rather less skilled in calculation nonetheless be curious about the course of the Moon, we have also for his sake devised a formula adapted to the capacity of his intelligence"

(Translated from the Latin, and written in England very nearly 1,300 years ago!)

Even I, would have a hard time working through the subsequent formula, which, incidentally, brings to mind a Dean Friedman song.

I will try my best to do a modern-times "Bede simplification," but please do not judge me harshly as the capacity of my intelligence to explain it so, doesn't look to be all that great. Wink

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Ashley, I wish I had gold stars to hand out, but you'll just have to accept this virtual one. Star

I will simply answer yes to your third paragraph for the time being. You have grasped the nettle!

For my part I must try and take this steady because I currently have the man-flu (the original camel/rhino coronavirus).

For now I will say that in picking on a 24 volt regulated supply, I think we could learn more than if we'd picked another voltage.
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Painting by numbers: primer 1

You need a calculator with a √■ key, and a  χ-­¹  key

With the √■ key you can obtain the value of the square root of 2 by typing the sequence

√■ 2 =

With the χ-­¹  key you can obtain the inverse of the square root of 2 by typing the sequence

√■ 2 = χ-­¹ =


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So, let's try to get 1amp output from a DIY 7825 based power supply using only off-the-peg components.

First, let's take a look at the 7824. Absolute maximum input voltage is 40V (other 78 series are 35V I believe).

The minimum input voltage is 26 volts, but that's for a perfect 7824 - good luck! I'd suggest 26.5 volts, but that's in the ripple voltage gutter.

New term warning! "ripple voltage gutter."

Best explain that next post, before we can really continue.
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Ripple voltage is peak voltage minus the gutter voltage of 26.5 V DC.

Vripple = Vpk - Vgtr

It's easier to test different ripple voltages, so let's restate that as gutter voltage plus ripple voltage equals peak voltage.

Vpk = Vgtr + Vripple

We find ripple voltage using CV = IT by rearranging it by dividing both sides by C, such that

V = IT/C

Now I = 1A and one times anything is whatever that anything was, so for I = 1A, we can forget I, so

V = T/C

For a full-wave rectifier (who'd use anything less?) T = χ-1 x 100 pulses per second, which is 0.01, so

V = 0.01/C

The original value of C (C1) is 4700uF, which is 0.0047F, so

V = 0.01/0.0047.

Do we need a calculator? Can we still do schoolkid maths? Canceling 0's we get

V = 10/4.7

10/5 is 2, so we can guess at 2.1 volts, and it's actually 2.13 volts.

Remembering what this is all about, obtaining Vpk, then

Vpk = Vgtr + Vripple = 26.5 + 2.13 = 28.63V

Therefore any input between 28.63 and 40 volts will work to produce 1 amp.

But now we need to know the transformer voltage.

√■ 2 = χ-¹ = 0.707

So 28.63 x 0.707 = 20.24V

But we now add the entry fee, the rectifier voltage drops, which are now hit by inflation!

The more current we draw, the larger the silicon is stretched (not exactly right, but I'm teaching Sylvain too), so it might now be 0.7V per diode or even 0.75V.

We have two diodes at any one time, so we must add 1.5V. Thus the AC voltage has to be 20.24 + 1.5 = 21.74V.

As Ashley noted, we could use twice the capacitance and reduce the ripple voltage by half. If we use 10,000uF, then instead of

V = 10/4.7 = 2.13volts, we have 10/10 = 1volt

Adding Vgtr, 26.5, we need 27.5V peak, and 27.5 x 0.707 = 19.44V

We add a 1.5V entry fee, and the transformer AC is 20.94V.

It looks like this is going to be awkward?
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Great stuff! Really enjoying this unravel!
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