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Choice of Sumiko or Ortofon head

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    Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 3:07pm
Ciao, sto acquistando una nuova cartuccia per il mio P******t 2 SB Xperience e stavo valutando il Sumiko Blue point special lll evo, o Ortofon 2M Black. Come pre-phono ho un Graham Slee Reflex M. Grazie.
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Which roughly translates to:

Hi, I am purchasing a new cartridge for my P ****** t 2 SB Xperience and I was evaluating the Sumiko Blue point special lll evo, or Ortofon 2M Black. As a pre-phono I have a Graham Slee Reflex M. Thanks.

Personally, I think I would go with the 2M Bronze over the 2M Black, due to the fact I didn’t like the 2M Black I had. Never heard the Sumiko or the 2M Bronze though.
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hi Vincenzo,
   I used a 2M Black and 2M Bronze with great satisfaction with my Reflex M. The Black had more detail, which I enjoyed, and the Bronze was a little less engaging for me. I haven’t heard the Sumiko. 
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Hi Vincenzo,
I owned the earlier Sumiko Blue Point Special a few years ago & let's just say that it defied
the myth of vinyl 'warmth' - it was 'bright & lively'. 
The latest Evo3 should be worth a listen though.
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The Graham Reflex M has a fixed capacitance of 220 pF. It should work well with the Ortofon 2M. With the Sumiko it is a bit high.
Sumiko recommends a phono pre-amp with a maximum of 200 pF, so the Graham is a little bit over that. This may give the Sumiko a little lift in the treble.
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Depends on how old it is. Very early Reflex M's might have been 220pF, but since 2013 they are 100pF. See spec below.


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I have the Sumiko EVO 3 and am using it with the Reflex M. I have not tried the Ortofon. I do not find the sound to be overly bright considering that I am using the ProAc Response 1SC speakers which some people also call bright. With that said, the combination is very revealing and I do have some albums, especially some rock ones from the 70s, that have moments that I might consider overly bright. That just might be the way they were mastered. My classical and jazz albums are just fine and sound great. I have the Sumiko slightly tail down because I do not have ability to adjust the the tonearm height.
I hope this helps.
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