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GoetzSB 
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 Topic: Offer burned in productsPosted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:08pm |
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Dear Graham Slee Team
I have just ordered a Reflex M from the nice guys at PhonoPhono Berlin. But it took me a while. Why? Because I am not sure it is the right choice. Will it fit into my chain? Will I like the sound? Now I can, in theory, test the device and return it within two weeks if I do not like it. This is the law in Germany, very advantageous for consumers. However it will not help. Having read Graham's excellent article on burning in devices, it will take at least three weeks before the Reflex will reveal its true quality. Therefore the following idea: could gsp not offer burned-in devices for a premium? I for my part would be happy to pay 10%-20% more for a device that has already been burned in, so I can enjoy - and assess - its true quality right from the start. It is like good wine dealers: you can buy a young wine or you can choose an older, more refined vintage of the same wine for a premium. What do other forum members think of the idea? Best Götz
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kgilroy
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Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:24pm |
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Graham Slee has a great loaner program that you could use instead to evaluate the Reflex before committing to purchase.
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Graham Slee
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Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 4:05pm |
Use it for 10 days straight, left on even when not playing, and then switch back to your existing stage. You will then know what to do.
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That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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CageyH
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Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 5:55pm |
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The Reflex M on the European loaner scheme has been well and truly run in.
I am happy to help if you want to borrow something.
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Ash
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Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 7:22pm |
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Time left powered on is part of the "burn-in" process. After quite a bit of use from new, the electronics improve from their "brand new state" but will not stay in their optimum state once powered down for a considerable period of time and will have to be powered up again for some time until they return to the optimum state. It's based on capacitor charging/discharging and stored energy held within the electronic components. I would envisage that they could influence impulse/phase response and distortion audible in signal reproduction.
From new, the electronics probably takes a few weeks to reach optimum charged stable state but after this period has passed, the power-on period needed to restore the charged stable state is probably reduced to a few days, depending on how long the electronics have been off.
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RichW
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Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 10:44am |
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Burn in and warm up is still questioned by some of the more assertive & vocal sections of the hifi
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BackinBlack
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Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 2:10pm |
No, just ill founded and overbearing opinions. As to the question of pre-burned in equipment, I would rather hear the burn in process for myself. It's all a part of the enjoyment of our pastime. The loan scheme equipment provides the opportunity to hear burnt in units with no obligations, apart from returning it, that is. Ian
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Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
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