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Auditioning Reflex C and Accession MC

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    Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 7:49pm
Thank you Thx_golfer .

Enjoy the music!

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For those that are following:  I wanted to close my posts to make sure it was clear the quality and service from Graham Slee.

     This has actually been a very long journey, but a very enjoyable one.  I have decided that testing gear and reviewing is a very difficult job.  I was pretty skeptical starting out that differences would be noticeable even between the highest and lowest cost items.  My thought was that they all do the same thing, how can they sound different.  Boy was I wrong.  In fact, I think the differences in Phono Stages, was at least as much as changes in cartridges.  This led to a longer process, as I started with the Accession MC at the top of my price point and ended up expanding due to my interest in exploring further sonic benefits.

     In order to fairly judge these 5 contenders I found it is only fair to create 3 tiers.  Tier 1 (less than $500) – Moon 110, Tier 2 (less than $1000) – Reflex C, Tier 3 (less than $2000) – Accession, Moon 310, MP 100.  There are considerable differences in these tiers and the best way I can describe them is that even my mom was able to differentiate between the tiers.  Obviously, the real shoot out then happens at the tier 3 level.  Largely I think this comes down to preferences and listening habits rather than one being better or worse, and of course your needs.  Also let me say that if I wasn’t able to do direct A/B testing I would be able to live with any of the Tier 3 options. 

     From a value perspective, the Accession MC is the easy winner in Tier 3.  Easily more detailed and precise than the other Tier 1 & 2, but very minor nuances to the remainder of Tier 3.  The Accession is much smaller than the others, and easily competes above its price point.

     The Moon 310lp is the winner in terms of flexibility, can pretty much handle any need you may have.  Although, you need to open up the box to manually change the jumper pins (a feature I am not a huge fan of).  This is really only a pain in the initial set up, after that you likely won’t need to make adjustments.

      For my personal preference, I really preferred the wider soundstage of the McIntosh MP100 as well as the looks of that unit.  For much of my testing is was difficult to distinguish between the 3, but the MP100 carried a wider soundstage in each case in my listening room.

Thanks to the entire Graham Slee Co and all those that make is work.  Special Call out to BAK.

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Thanks for your observations.

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Here is the latest update.

After several conversations, it was determined that the loaner Accesssion MC that I was using was broken.  I was contacted and sent a new unit directly, it has been in my possession for about 4 days and can definitely tell the difference from the broken one.

It is for sure a step up from the Reflex in terms of bass extension, detail and overall enjoyment.  I have decided to open up the comparisons to a couple other units that may be able to stand toe to toe with the Accession MC.  The Moon by SimAudio 310 and the McIntosh MP100.  I don't have enough time to give my full thoughts on all three as they have different characteristics, but all extremely good.

More to come, thanks for listening.
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A few dB of EQ is subtle but changes the listening experience for me. On occasions I have accidentally left the Accession EQ on 'British' (up) after playing old classical LP's that sounded better that way but then found subsequent modern records a little tiring until I realised my mistake. Doh!

The 'American' setting (middle) does tame trebly records so would have the opposite effect of dulling a normal RIAA LP. I am sure you've checked that already. That's a clever idea trying the reduced output level and may have got your main volume control up into a sweeter part. Discuss?

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Originally posted by GippleDocks GippleDocks wrote:

"Bloated bass" makes me wonder whether the Accession is accidentally set for 'CA / Flat'.  If I turn EQ off, I get bloated bass and diminished top end.

Forgive me if you've already checked, but for all but the oldest vinyl the front panel switches ought to be set from left to right: up (labelled 'Stereo'), down ('EQ'), down (bottom position of three, labelled 'RIAA').

Good tip. That would definitely be an issue if one is playing records that require RIAA. I would check the settings very carefully if I were testing out the Accession (either model). 
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Thanks for all the suggestions, put in some more critical listening today.

Accenssion MC - Initial listening was done on 100 Ohm setting, tried 300 and 500 today and didn't make a huge difference.  What I did determine, I am hearing a very emphasized low end and high end.  The mid range seems to be lacking.  The 500 Ohm setting increased the volume dramatically.  

After words I thought I would try the variable output.  What a difference that makes, turning the knob between the 1 and 2 o'clock settings makes this a much more enjoyable listen.  My brain was fried by the time I got to this point, so I will definitively be trying with this in the 100 Ohm setting

Reflex C - Still my favorite of the 3 options.  Just set it and forget it.  Sounds amazing, clear soundstage and imaging.  Natural tones of the artists are clear and enjoyable.

Moon 110lp v2 - This is a close second.  Does not have quite the detail of the reflex C, but at approx half the price may be difficult to pass on.

Please keep the comments coming and I will continue to play around.  This is fun and exhausting.  I love this hobby!
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