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PHONO Stages.... Oh No.... help
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Originally posted by JohnnySH JohnnySH wrote:


Found the Accession lacking bottom end and thin sounding, but i'm putting it down to my system not being matched ???


Not something I would ever accuse my Accession of being, that sounds more like the long run in/warm up for gsp stages before reaching optimum, give it a bit longer powered on and play records before listening again.
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As I previously stated Audio is Subjective what one person find acceptable others may not ??

There are so many variables, everyone's ears are different, turntable, carts etc, etc,

It's all about being happy with what one purchases, they are not cheap items ... well not the one's i'm tending to look at....

very simply I want to make a one off purchase of a phono stage and be happy, and within reason whatever it costs, I will have to pay,

But i'm not just looking for sonic quality, I want build quality too, that's why I am sampling various phono stages.

As always any feedback always appreciated.

 
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Hmm...all or nothing...black and white...the world just doesn’t work that way...unless you have vastly deep pockets...and even then...
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Richy W

Yes free speech is wonderful, there was nothing odd about this thread, 

I was asking if anyone had an opinion on the gold note phone stage, I have now sampled the Assession and gold note.

The Accession did not blow be away sonically, to be honest was a little disappointed, may be my turntable or setup, but the build quality of the gold note was far superior, there is no denying that.

Found the Accession lacking bottom end and thin sounding, but i'm putting it down to my system not being matched ???

That said, the gold note did not tick all my boxes either, I have sent it back and have been in talks with the designers and pointed out a few of the weaknesses, they are going to work on a new version.

But  Richy W ...

Don't you kid on! everyone is entitled to their opinion! it's only my view and how I find it!

If the accession ticks all your boxes. I'm happy for you, that is the beauty of analogue audio, it is so subjective, what you find acceptable other people may not! 

You may have different standards or expectation, that's also the beauty of educated people talking about what they find and their experience. 

Everyone has their own standards of what they find acceptable for the hard earned money they spend. To be honest there are very few things in life I purchase, that I am truly happy with, there are substandards everywhere.

I must say my RME Purchase is one of the few items that I have been ultra happy with, german studio high end audio kit, some of the best quality DACs and ADs. Shame most things out there don't compare to RME!!

I'm still looking for a quality phono stage and will continue evaluating until I'm happy, next test will be the Cyrus Audio Signature and then the Pathos In The Groove.


Richy W, nothing bizzare about this thread talking about carts, it's called educated discussion.
Oh and yes I am critical about everything in life, no half measures! It's either done right or I am not interested  

Also considering the Nagra 500 cart too Smile






Edited by JohnnySH - 28 Apr 2019 at 3:53pm
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Bizarre how this odd thread turned into a cartridge query.
Disappointing that Johnny hardly mentioned the Accession's sonic capabilities
Free speech is wonderful & opinions should be expressed.
Come on mate speak up.
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 Hi Johnny,
Don't kid on - you're being critical. Smile
Criticism about aesthetics is fine - the Gold Note does looks appealing in its way but is no Nagra Wink
How did you find the sound of the Accession?
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Originally posted by JohnnySH JohnnySH wrote:

thank you for your reply

I am planing to use a Technics SL1210 MK5G turntable, I know not the best audio phile turntable in the world, but it meets my requirements at the moment for the job in hand.

How does the VM540ML compare to my existing AT440MLB is it really much of an upgrade ??

I had it in my mind to get the best quality MM cart, i would need to be  spending over £500


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Nothing wrong with that turntable, it's a good one. 

Re: the 540 vs. the 440, the 540 replaced the 440. There were some changes designed to mitigate the peaking in FR that the 440 had. Basically it was impossible to get a flat-ish response out of the 440 without non-standard loading as I mentioned above. With the 540 you get to track a little heavier (2g - lower compliance) and with a 100pf + 47K load and low capacitance cables running from the TT to the phono preamp you should be able to achieve a flat-ish response. Other than that the stylus profile and generator designs are very similar. 

RE: spending more, that is entirely up to you. You may find you get something "different", not "better" in all aspects. 
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