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recharge noise

Further evidence to show the recharge on positive signal excursions, even at 1kHz, far above the -3dB corner.

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Immediately past the crossover the current through the upper emitter resistor comprises that required by the load, plus a non-constant 7mA for the NFB (which has been "pre-paid" by unequal Vq's), and the recharging current to replenish the output capacitor (which has not been "pre-paid" as of yet).

It's not that the output capacitor has been discharged. It has been partially discharged because it was pulling the load negative under instruction of the lower output transistor. The law of conservation of energy always applies, and so electrical charge energy has been converted into mechanical movement of the speaker cone (sound energy - a pressure wave), and heat.

Now, this isn't taught (except by some prof. in Sofia - and me), the simple college and university explanation of what a DC blocking capacitor does is a crime, which leads to false accusation by the "all capacitors are bad brigade" - because they are obviously under-educated. If you are reading this, you are now more advanced than many.

The charge replenishment - a kind of inrush once the voltage rises through signal zero - must flow through the upper emitter resistor. Regardless of what current it is, Ohms law states that it will result in a voltage, and that voltage will be higher than we expected.

"I" being the symbol for current, then the charge lost must be -di/dt, and is being replaced by +di/dt. It was lost in time period dt, so the recharge must be the same dt, but dt is the inverse of frequency. Will that matter? It is far beyond the -3dB frequency. What we need is some values to plug into the charge equation CV=IT (what, that again? Yes!).

Actually, we can forget frequency and thus time "t" because it's not at the -3dB cut. We can forget C because it's the same in both directions. So it's either V or I. I is current or the flow of charges, so -di and +di cancel. We are left with V. So, as we lost going down, we must add what we lost going up.

Maybe we're back at gm-doubling? We set Vq. Earlier, we arrived at Vq = 18mV, but to obtain some equilibrium on test, that had to be dropped to 10.5 mV. What will happen if we halve the upper emitter resistance?

By Ohms law, for the same current, the voltage will halve. As we are replacing charge, then the current must match what was lost when positive conduction happens, so the voltage on the upper emitter resistor will match that on the lower emitter resistor - when conducting. But it will be half when quiescent.

So, is the answer to place an equal value emitter resistor in parallel? Then we adjust the lower emitter resistor voltage to 18mV?

We shall see.
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Before and after

The result of studying what the output capacitor actually does, and "pre-paying" for its charge current.

3rd-harmonic-covering-4th

FFT including the 1kHz fundamental, taken two days ago.

FFT after adjusting for charge

Fundamental above not included so as to obtain a close-up.

Note 3rd harmonic stands at -75dB, but 2nd harmonic is better than 10 dB down. 4th also 10dB lower, and all upper harmonics sub -85dB.

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And the new residual plot. The max power has dropped to just over 40W on the fitting of a new transformer.

residual at 40WPC
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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:

And the new residual plot. The max power has dropped to just over 40W on the fitting of a new transformer.

residual at 40WPC
And the zero crossings aren't as "spikey".

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Fascinating. Thanks Graham and Bruce too.
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I have also removed the 0R33 HT resistor, as it also "impedes" the charging time of the output capacitor.

I hadn't a 0R27 resistor so paralleled a 0R33 with the existing 0R27 making 0R15. The lower emitter resistor remains as a tweaked 0R33 with a parallel 10R making 0R32.

The E-E voltage is now 20.2mV, with approx. 6.3mV across the 0R15, and approx. 13.9mV across the 0R32.

Immediately after positive going crossover, the current increases rapidly and the excess recharges the output capacitor.

The improved current balance removes the sharp crossover although some small hesitation remains. Perhaps exactly 0R135 might lead to a further measurable improvement. The mismatches at the higher harmonics are mainly due to the tolerances of these resistors.

THD(1) was below 0.02% at one watt, and approx. 0.03% at 41 watts, both channels driven.

The transformer needs to be tried with a GOSS band to see if the S/N will improve above 79dB. It will be seen from the last FFT plot, that the noise floor is -107dB in the A wtd. region.

Acknowledgements to Terry Monaghan and Stephen Foster for their patience in trying to understand my transformer requirements.
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