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Graham Slee
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Since you asked... I have a few CDs (shhhh ) and they sound splendid to me. They sound extremely coloured on any CD drive I've tried (but that was not an exhaustive test), but if the data is taken from them using Exact Audio Copy (ripped in otherwords) the resulting file is good enough for my ears. Quite enjoyable played back using Foobar2000 as it comes on my 'everyday' PC. As regards all these highly technical alternative solutions, they will never interest me, but don't let me put you off spending. Vinyl is so good yet occupies 12 to 13 bits of total dynamic range if compared. And often sounds better (to some) using a MM cartridge. Maths prove MMs peak at roughly 11.2kHz and then start to roll-off - but the highs are assisted by cantilever tuning (can't be anything else? Could be green Kryptonite I suppose) - and vinyl only ever does 25kHz (of audio that is) if you're really lucky. CD does a total dynamic range of 16 bits, and does frequencies up to 22kHz absolutely perfectly (I used to try and argue differently to sell more phono stages, but as they say "the truth will out"). Now, if the 'new music' contains dog whistles and you want to have fun with the local dog population, then whatever turns you on... Plus I know somebody has £2.5m of stock to turnover so has to try (I suppose by any means) and convince as many as it takes, to shell-out... (I suppose I would too if I believed in all that tripe enough to have convinced myself to risk all. Been there, got the tee shirt, it shrank in the wash!) |
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That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Baflar
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You're probably right. Chord certainly use their own programming in their DACs, and since the Blu is intended to feed into their DACs, I'd infer that they would probably continue the same philosophy. I think I see what you mean about Graham's electronics 'thing' - probably more hardware-based solutions than software-based? It's my compliment to Graham's past product development that I'd anticipate that anything he puts out would be good! My thought that there might well be a gap in the market for an affordable CD Upscaler still remains. This may reflect my years in Market Research, and later, teaching Marketing at Leeds Business School! Of course, plugging the market gap with a new product only works if the product is as good as it claims to be... ! |
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RichW
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Doesn't the Chord upscaler use bespoke programmed FPGAs for its processing?
Apologies if I'm wrong but I don't think that is Graham's thing. |
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Majestic/Enigma, Accession MM & MC.
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Baflar
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I'm still grateful for the recommendations. At least I learnt something - and as someone observed in this thread - it was always going to be one of those 'suck it and see' cases, having established that there was no way to get a free trial. The crucial discovery was that the treble end on CDs had clearer focus without the regenerator than with it, for some unknown reason! I tend to agree with the thought that "CD will always struggle to match well reproduced vinyl" My vinyl set up, including Ortofon 2M Bronze and a Slee phono pre-amp is clearly better than my CD playing. But it does strike me that there may be a gap in the market for a separate CD Upscaler. After all, it seems to work for TV. People (like me!) who are using a CD transport and a separate DAC might benefit from a CD Upscaler between the two - or am I fundamentally misguided?! In passing, I note that the new, and ludicrously expensive Chord Blu CD player has gone for a built-in upscaler. Wonder if Graham thinks there might be an opportunity for new product development here...?..! |
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RichW
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After recommending a piece of kit it is disappointing when it doesn't deliver the improvement hoped.
Sorry it didn't work for you but at least you had the chance to try it. I do think CD will always struggle to match well reproduced vinyl - & not only for a sweet treble quality. Hopefully the Micromega CD player repair will help. |
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Baflar
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Not to worry. This seems a mysterious field. While I can't explain why I had the results described, I trust my ears, which have had many years of practice on high 'mid-range' equipment (the stuff where you have to spend hundreds (or thousands) more to get any genuine improvement!) to know that it turned out in that rather odd way. I was wondering whether your AG500 Regenerator puts out a rock-steady 230v? Mine changed every second or half-second, usually at points between 229.6 and 230.7v. I'm now wondering if that phenomenon had more effect on higher-pitch sounds than on bass... but if so, I've no idea how that could be! I'm now trying to think of a Plan B (or C really). I still have, packed away, an old Micromega Stage 2 (which was later re-launched as Stage 5) CD player, but it developed an awful noise when the drawer opened/closed, and an increasing fussiness on which CDs it would deign to play! But I remember the sound being excellent. I now wonder if it's possible to get it fully repaired so that I can feed it into my Mojo DAC... If that raises my CD sound to new heights, it should turn out cheaper than the AG500! |
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rantalot
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Hi Baflar, maybe I should have described my CD then things might have been more meaningful. In the distant days of fourfold oversampling my CD was well respected but much water has gone under the bridge since then. The improvement on mine was quite dramatic, maybe your ac is cleaner than mine as I live close to the winter hill transmitter (line of sight).
Sorry if I gave you false hope and put you through a lot trials only to discover a negative improvement. |
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