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Fatmangolf
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There is a third option. If you have monobloc amps like the Proprius amplifiers you can have them very close to the left and right speakers. Then the speaker cables are really short (not much longer than the patch leads between the LF and HF speaker terminals) and I'd argue the much shorter cables eliminate most of the case for bi-wire. You will need longer signal cables from your source/preamp to the mono-blocs but these will probably be cheaper than long speaker cables.
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Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
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lfc jon
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Hi all
If I had gone down the bi wire path and used the 10% that they say you should spend on cables I would have been spending well over £800 on cables as I also got new RCAs at the same time. That is a lot of money for me and that sort of budget I think I would of got better sound spending that on new speakers in the end I went with the dealers advice on cables. AND I'm happy. I spent around £500 in total, that left me with a good budget for new VINYL. That's what HiFi is for (listening) to music (I got 8 new albums) and had a good time listening to them Some times it is about being happy with what you have and not what you think you are missing out on Good listening Jonathan
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jupiterboy
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I'm a bi-wire skeptic because any explanation of why it is better gets pretty fuzzy, and I can usually deal with pretty fuzzy. However, I bi-wire my speakers. Here's why. If I have a nice run of speaker cable, and my speakers have a crossover that truly splits the tweeter from the mid-woofers, then my tweeters get a good bit more wire weight than they need, and I give my mid-woofers only half of the wire weight. I had a nice pair of 11 AWG cables and it was exactly like I describe. What I did was to downgrade my cables (within the same line, using the same technologies that I'd come to appreciate), using a 13 AWG wire for the mid-woofers and a 14 AWG run for the tweeters. Now, as someone will comment, this is odd, but the maker of the wire actually offered two largely identical speaker wires with the same materials and geometry, but two slightly different weights. My tweeters still have more wire than they need, but my mid-woofers have more wire by weight than if I had split the nicer 11 AWG cable. I'm also messing with the crossover a bit by doing this, and in my case I have a super simple cap and coil crossover, so I'm probably changing the voicing just a bit. I was also able to get the cable maker to give me a single termination at the amp end so I didn't have to fuss with spades and bananas or two sets of spades. Anyway, I attribute the sound I like more to the design of the cables than the bi-wire, but I'm happy.
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Bi-wire
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I guess it's subjective but what I really want to say is that I think bi-wiring is all smoke and mirrors. That said, I don't really know if it makes a difference. I used to bi-wire (hence my name) using a dedicated bi-wiring cable - ie 2 bananas at the amp end and 4 at the 'speaker end, but about ten years ago changed to a more aesthetically acceptable (to my other half) cable which is single wired and used along with jumpers of the same cable, and I can't tell any difference.
If anything, I suspect that Jonathan's advice above would get my vote.
Edited by Bi-wire - 17 Jun 2020 at 7:53pm |
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Peter
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lfc jon
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Hi Chester
A few mouths ago I replaced my cables and I connected a dealer and asked them what to do as far bi wiring and I was told that it was best to spend say £200s on a single cable than to spit it into two and that I would get better sound quality with a single pair of cables at that budget, they said bi amping got better results. Has for jumper cables don't forget to use the same cables you are using to connect your amp to your speakers I have looked into bi wiring in the past and I did not hear any difference between single and bi wiring the speakers I was using at the time Any how I did take the dealers advice and have never looked back Jonathan |
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Robnpg
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Everything is subjective, but from the research I've done Bi-wiring hasn't gotten a lot of love. However, Bi-Amping seems to get more of a positive response.
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LostnAmerica
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Thanks Aussie Mick, Proprii? Are those cables? Thanks!
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