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Paul P
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Hello I have a Pro-ject Experience 2 Turntable with a Pro-ject Phono Box SE 11 and a Ortofon Blue Cartridge that came with the Deck. I want to upgrade now to either a Reflex C Phono Amp with a Ortofon Rondo Blue MC Cartridge or a Reflex M with a Ortofon 2M Black Cartridge. I'm not sure what to go for .Any help would be appreciated and also other suggestions as well .Thanks.
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Fatmangolf
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Hi Paul, I haven't used your particular turntable but have a couple of suggestions. I have heard the Ortofon 2M Black is good, has anyone got either or both of these cartridges please? My experience with the Goldring 1042 and 2500 on a Rega P3-24 was good.
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Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
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Drewan77
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I have an Ortofon 2M Black/Rega RP6 running
through a Reflex/PSU1. My tastes are predominantly Rock, Blues, Indie & Folk and I do listen quite loud. I therefore prefer a lively cartridge and if your tastes are more mellow then maybe this is not the best for you.
The 2M Black seems smooth, dynamic, and crisp
with a deep, taut bass. I have read that all the 2M’s can be neutral and almost
digital sounding and I can see that to a degree – it has a resemblance to high
quality CD and FLAC’s but on a back-to-back listen with the same music in
either format, it is more natural and smooth sounding, the performance seems
considerably more realistic. I attend a lot of live amplified music & this comes as close as I have heard to that, avoiding distortion or flabby bass which I dislike with a passion. I don’t think the 2M’s are particularly warmly coloured in the
traditional vinyl sense, however the Black is certainly not cold or analytical. I have no desire to change.
My ‘spare’ stylus is a 2M Blue and this has
a strong family resemblance when fitted on the Black body, certainly a lot
closer than the relative prices would suggest. It has a leaner bass, slightly
more strident top end and is a little less transparent. Of course, my observations are using the higher quality Black body with the Blue stylus so maybe the difference to an original Blue could be greater. So, if you like the Blue, I can strongly recommend the Black. It also tracks very well, just about managing the Hi Fi News test LP ‘nightmare’ track and sails through all the others @ 17.5g downforce.
I have no experience of the Ortofon Rondo Blue MC, however for me there is the MM advantage of stylus replacement when damaged/worn without sending off for repair or buying new. Plus the ability to fit a spare stylus for less critical or background listening which lengthens the life of the main stylus. |
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Fatmangolf
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Thanks Drewan
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Jon
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marshmid
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Drewan77 said;
"So, if you like the Blue, I can strongly recommend the Black. It also tracks very well, just about managing the Hi Fi News test LP ‘nightmare’ track and sails through all the others @ 17.5g downforce." I'm sure that tracking force ia a 'typo' and that it should be 1.75g. Marsh |
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Drewan77
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Oops, yes (was wondering why the stylus cut my vinyl into black apple peel !) |
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jrhughes
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Hi Drewan,
That's quite a bit more than the recommended "optimum" 1.5g and beyond the recommended max of 1.7. I'm curious, as I have both the Bronze (rec. 1.5g) and Blue (rec. 1.8g), did you reach 1.75g purely because you found that's where it was best behaved, or did you nudge it up a bit so you could swap Black with Blue stylus and not have to keep altering the VTF? My Bronze is set to 1.6g but I'd be a bit nervous of taking it up to 1.75, although I'd like to swap stylus sometimes without having to adjust VTF, which is a pain. Cheers, Jason
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