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Anyone running a Garrard 401?

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    Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 9:23am
hi all

Does anyone have any experience of idlers?
Been offered a very collectible early 401. Full service by Loricraft. 

Will require a plinth & arm so most likely looking at 3k all together. 

I hear they need to be run for 30 mins to reach a stable speed though.  Not sure I can be dealing with that. 
I rarely have time for extended listening sessions. Just the of side hear and there. 

Also, are they finicky? Will it drive me mad??
Is the pursuit High Fidelity a sign of mental illness??
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I don't know why a fully serviced 401 would take half an hour to get a stable speed.

I've gone for idlers in a big way, starting with a PTP Lenco based Solid12 and going to a Garrard 301 in the shape of a CTC Classic 301. You can hear/see this here:


(It repays listening through your hifi or with good headphones Wink )

Once set up, it'd be good for years. You'd need a strobe or something else to set the speed adjustment correctly BTW. It works by moving a magnet over a disc attached to the motor spindle; the more of the magnet over the disc the greater the "braking" effect. With the magnet away from the disc the platter will spin slightly fast.

You may want to look here for a plinth http://layers-of-beauty.co.uk/13-garrard
I almost got one of these for my 301 but went for a granite one in the end. "Other plinth makers are available" Wink


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Originally posted by Old skool Old skool wrote:

I hear they need to be run for 30 mins to reach a stable speed though.

Eh? 30 minutes? Motor bearings must be sha***d or dry.
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Mine runs up to speed in not more than a few seconds. Usually turn on at the start of a session, remove record from sleeve, stop TT, place record, restart TT, clean record with brush, then play. Over a session, after a couple of hours or so check and adjust speed is sometimes necessary, in warm weather as the TT warms up there is a tendency to speed up very, very slightly, not noticeable unless you check the strobe.
They deserve a good solid plinth, not necessarily massive, certainly not lightweight as some belt drives use.
Ran mine with the classic SME 3009 mkII in a 15Kg (too heavy) multilayer wooden plinth for about 20 years before changing to an Audiomods classic arm and reduced weight 5Kg plinth. I'm currently, very slowly, building a new lighter ~4Kg plinth and refurbishing the TT with new springs, dampers etc, clean and relubricate motor and main bearings.
Looking forward to hearing it again.
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New bearing apparently. Bit tight or so I’m told.  
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Guess the real question is do I go for this collectible idler as an investment & hope it doesn’t drive me bonkers with its need for constant fettling or spend similar money on a solid, reliable (& arguably collectible) Technics 1200G?
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Difficult choice. Both excellent turntables. I suppose it depends on how much you might want to expend on providing a decent plinth and an arm for the Garrard against the out  of the box usability of the Technics. But then there's the possibility of further improving the Technics with a better arm and outboard power supply.

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